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05 Oct 2009, 8:11 am

The discussion is for both Aspie/Autistic/Spectrum in general and NT. Just point out your DX.

I know (at least people around me say that) that I have a different view of love from many NTs (many say that I don't love at all but it's not true).

I don't know how to exatly phrase it in english so I just copy and past. I think that the best definition of love (the english "love" is just too generic) was given by ancient greek:

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There are several Greek words for love, as the Greek language distinguishes how the word Ancient Greek has four distinct words for love: agape, eros, philia, and storgē. However, as with other languages, it has been historically difficult to separate the meanings of these words. Nonetheless, the senses in which these words were generally used are given below.

Agapē (αγάπη agápē) means "love" in modern day Greek, such as in the term s'agapo (Σ'αγαπώ), which means "I love you." In Ancient Greek, it often refers to a general affection rather than the attraction suggested by "eros." Agape is used in ancient texts to denote feelings for a good meal, one's children, and the feelings for a spouse. It can be described as the feeling of being content or holding one in high regard.
Eros (ερως érōs) is passionate love, with sensual desire and longing. The Modern Greek word "erotas" means "(romantic) love;" however, eros does not have to be sexual in nature. Eros can be interpreted as a love for someone whom you love more than the philia, love of friendship. It can also apply to dating relationships as well as marriage. Plato refined his own definition: Although eros is initially felt for a person, with contemplation it becomes an appreciation of the beauty within that person, or even becomes appreciation of beauty itself. It should be noted Plato does not talk of physical attraction as a necessary part of love, hence the use of the word platonic to mean, "without physical attraction." Plato also said eros helps the soul recall knowledge of beauty, and contributes to an understanding of spiritual truth. Lovers and philosophers are all inspired to seek truth by eros. The most famous ancient work on the subject of eros is Plato's Symposium, which is a discussion among the students of Socrates on the nature of eros.
Philia (φιλία philia) means friendship in modern Greek. It is a dispassionate virtuous love, a concept developed by Aristotle. It includes loyalty to friends, family, and community, and requires virtue, equality and familiarity. In ancient texts, philos denoted a general type of love, used for love between family, between friends, a desire or enjoyment of an activity, as well as between lovers.
Storge (στοργή storgē) means "affection" in ancient and modern Greek. It is natural affection, like that felt by parents for offspring. Rarely used in ancient works, and then almost exclusively as a descriptor of relationships within the family. It is also known to express mere acceptance or putting up with situations, as in "loving" the tyrant.
Thelema (θέλημα thélēma) means "desire" in ancient and modern Greek. It is the desire to do something, to be occupied, or to be in prominence.


I think I have all that kind of love, by the way people think that my "way of loving" is a sort of brain-artificial. Am I only more aware of myself? Am I the only one who know how our body work to make us feeling "love"? It's being conscious bad?

Also I sometimes "fail" at the usual love way. For istance I have a "overdeveloped" sense of justice so I someone I love does something wrong, it's still something wrong, why NTs behave differently?


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05 Oct 2009, 8:38 am

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What is Love for you?

A source of great pain at this time.


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05 Oct 2009, 9:24 am

A very attractive plague.



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05 Oct 2009, 9:24 am

To me, it's something you choose to do. Love isn't a feeling, it's an action, something beyond just friendship. I choose to stay with my husband because I choose to continue to love him.

It's easier with family, the familiarity bonds you. But I couldn't tell you the last time I talked to my grandmother, or any of my aunts and uncles. They do not appear in my life, therefore I don't 'love' them by my own definition.

It's quite hard to explain, really. And it usually disappoints those I tell, like they expected to mean something different to me. But, the long term idea they are looking at is not with my definition, I see it as something fleeting, momentary, a collection of moments you create. Not that eternal crap people throw at you.

I'm suspected AS/HFA/PDD-NOS, BTW.


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05 Oct 2009, 10:20 am

I feel love, that great deep feeling of affection. As a kid, that love for my mother was real

I loved and connected with my wife, but her actions could cause me to reevaluate that.

I never knew real unconditional love until I had children. I would take a bullet for one of my kids.

The best way I can describe it is, there are different rules. I don't believe I can feel unconditional love for my spouse. With the kids it was automatic, kinda like it is for a kid and his mom.



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05 Oct 2009, 2:02 pm

DaWalker wrote:
A very attractive plague.


:lol:


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05 Oct 2009, 3:29 pm

For me, any sort of feelings of affection come tied up with feelings of anxiety that I cannot untangle the one from the other. It is as if anxiety itself has supplanted 'love' and is now the sensation I feel.

I used to think this was 'normal' but now I'm not so sure...



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05 Oct 2009, 4:58 pm

"Moons, and Junes, and Ferris wheels..."

Seriously, it's something I experience through the filter of a hundred love songs, without too much reality getting involved (as my practical experience of living with someone for any period of time is, I dunno, three months or so, and non-consecutive at that).

It's nearly the right time for this one. :wink:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thaiW9bfBM4[/youtube]


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05 Oct 2009, 6:20 pm

That is... a very hard one to explain.

To me, I suppose it's comfort, someone to be able to rely on, and the occasional frustration.

My boyfriend used to get, and probably still does, frustrated when he would ask me why I love him. I honestly have no good answer, and tell him that, but attempt at times, nonetheless.

For me, it is because I am comfortable with him... I know that no matter how many arguments we get into, our communication will always be there afterward, and we can sort things out, and will. I know that he is always working on understanding me better, sometimes with apprehension, sometimes without. I know that he is always there to talk to if I need someone to talk to. He accepts me (most of the time), or at least tries, lol.

I know it must be difficult for him a lot of the time and appreciate that he sticks it out all the same.

He doesn't get the reciprocity that he would like... but he deals with it and vents when need be about it. He also doesn't make unreasonable demands... requests, yes, but never demands, as he knows some things are just too hard for me to do at times.


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05 Oct 2009, 8:03 pm

Being very close and one with.



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05 Oct 2009, 8:31 pm

I don't get love at all. Had a girlfriend, we kissed, we said 'I love you', we spent lots and lots of time together. AND I STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT A DAMN THING OF IT MEANS! XD I know it's not as simple as just 'doing that stuff' :P


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05 Oct 2009, 9:15 pm

To me, love (of any kind, not just romantic love) is defined as: putting something above yourself. In the case of romantic or familial love, it's self-explanatory. However, other forms of "love" would also apply. If you love a certain food, you'll eat it even though your doctor said that it's unhealthy and could cause complications in the future (putting said food above your well-being). For the religious (especially among the Abrahamic) folk, loving God means adhering to whatever precepts you believe are pleasing to said god. A philanthropist would "love" all of humankind. There are many forms of love, but they all stem from that one simple definition...

That's why if you put yourself first, you love nothing, ergo you are a heartless bastard in my books...



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05 Oct 2009, 10:37 pm

That's a good definition... placing something before your own good.



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05 Oct 2009, 11:20 pm

love is a battlefield! lol looking for true love is tough i find it hard to make up my mind and whether i want love from a girl or i want to give in to lust, either way love confuses me cos i believe girls are soo uptight, everything has to be their way, i have yet to meet a girl (who wasnt taken) that didn't think of love as a one way street



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11 Jul 2014, 4:44 pm

To love another person is to see the face of God. - Les Miserables

That's as much as I understand. I dreamed about finding the right girl once. Things seemed to work in the dream. But in real life I don't know how to do it. Perhaps the complications are too many to overcome.



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11 Jul 2014, 6:11 pm

Probably too intense, if it were ever allowed to come out.


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