Some very basic dating tips

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That's true, women likely don't look for the same thing in a partner as gay men do - not entirely, anyways. Even though many women work and earn their own money now, they're still biologically programmed to seek out a protector & provider of a mate due to evolution.

How you do anything is how you do everything. If you're negative and complaining here, even if you don't verbalize those things in real life.. your attitude and energy will convey your thoughts and pessimism. Then try something different/new. It's only your perspective that the whole world s**ts on you. It doesn't. The whole world is busy doing it's thing completely independently from you. The world doesn't have time or energy to spend on you. You do. Change your thoughts & perspective and the whole world will seem like a lot better place.

Your dating problems don't stem from women's "sky high requirements." Take some personal responsibility. Your problems stem from you and your thoughts/emotions/perspective/pessimism/attitude etc. You can't change others, but you can change yourself.

Of course women on dating sites are asking for their ideal mate. Why would they write a dating profile that sells themselves short by asking for a less than ideal mate?

Now you're just being ridiculous. Very few men look like George Clooney, yet literally BILLIONS of men get dates every week. I've also seen plenty of fat guys with girlfriends... ie your average American, for instance. It's not likely your body type that's most unappealing to women, but rather, your mindset & attitude. Sure, people have their types (I do) & might not date someone based on body type, but for those who are willing to accept an out of shape guy - or are even attracted to them - it's your attitude that will prevent you from getting a date, not your body.

You've been told repeatedly by more than just me that money isn't everything. It sure helps, though. If you feel earning $20/hour will make you feel attractive enough to others to get a date, then set a goal of increasing your economic worth to $20+/hour and do whatever it takes to get there. #'s are arbitrary and location relevant. $20/hr is OK money here where wages are low, but women seeking high status high income guys here where houses cost $1M+ aren't seeking an hourly wage earner at all.. more like $ix Figure$ (equivalent to at least $50/hr) bare minimum, which is fairly difficult to obtain.

The world is competitive - for sex and love, too. The whole "free love" hippie concept just isn't very popular. People earn others' affection & attention by making themselves worthy of it.. by being the bigger better faster stronger healthier wealthier alpha male. Sure, you may never become The Top Dog in your neck of the woods, but you CAN become better than you are by working hard on yourself, your body, your mind, your finances etc. People who have "better" bodies/minds/paying jobs/bank balances/cars etc have them because they've earned them bit by bit by working hard for them every single day. They weren't all just handed physical fitness, health, optimism, money etc. They obtain them via hard work - which is how they earn the attention of others and become attractive to them. It's really not overly complicated stuff here.

That's true, women likely don't look for the same thing in a partner as gay men do - not entirely, anyways. Even though many women work and earn their own money now, they're still biologically programmed to seek out a protector & provider of a mate due to evolution.

How you do anything is how you do everything. If you're negative and complaining here, even if you don't verbalize those things in real life.. your attitude and energy will convey your thoughts and pessimism. Then try something different/new. It's only your perspective that the whole world s**ts on you. It doesn't. The whole world is busy doing it's thing completely independently from you. The world doesn't have time or energy to spend on you. You do. Change your thoughts & perspective and the whole world will seem like a lot better place.

Your dating problems don't stem from women's "sky high requirements." Take some personal responsibility. Your problems stem from you and your thoughts/emotions/perspective/pessimism/attitude etc. You can't change others, but you can change yourself.

Of course women on dating sites are asking for their ideal mate. Why would they write a dating profile that sells themselves short by asking for a less than ideal mate?

Now you're just being ridiculous. Very few men look like George Clooney, yet literally BILLIONS of men get dates every week. I've also seen plenty of fat guys with girlfriends... ie your average American, for instance. It's not likely your body type that's most unappealing to women, but rather, your mindset & attitude. Sure, people have their types (I do) & might not date someone based on body type, but for those who are willing to accept an out of shape guy - or are even attracted to them - it's your attitude that will prevent you from getting a date, not your body.

You've been told repeatedly by more than just me that money isn't everything. It sure helps, though. If you feel earning $20/hour will make you feel attractive enough to others to get a date, then set a goal of increasing your economic worth to $20+/hour and do whatever it takes to get there. #'s are arbitrary and location relevant. $20/hr is OK money here where wages are low, but women seeking high status high income guys here where houses cost $1M+ aren't seeking an hourly wage earner at all.. more like $ix Figure$ (equivalent to at least $50/hr) bare minimum, which is fairly difficult to obtain.

The world is competitive - for sex and love, too. The whole "free love" hippie concept just isn't very popular. People earn others' affection & attention by making themselves worthy of it.. by being the bigger better faster stronger healthier wealthier alpha male. Sure, you may never become The Top Dog in your neck of the woods, but you CAN become better than you are by working hard on yourself, your body, your mind, your finances etc. People who have "better" bodies/minds/paying jobs/bank balances/cars etc have them because they've earned them bit by bit by working hard for them every single day. They weren't all just handed physical fitness, health, optimism, money etc. They obtain them via hard work - which is how they earn the attention of others and become attractive to them. It's really not overly complicated stuff here.

Women are in charge? Yes and no. Sure, they can withhold sex.. but if you're a Man, you can obtain sex from another female by attracting them and having them compete for you. Women are in charge if you're unable to attract them.

All animal species' females are attracted to the alpha male/best mate/biggest/strongest/fastest/best looking etc etc why would you expect humans to be any different? Money & material possessions (and physical appearance/strength etc) have evolved in human society to be the indicators of the Alpha to women. Become that man, obtain those things, get what you want. Work for it. Earn it. Or, do as you've always done and get as you've always got.

Women do treat men as human beings.. and notice which ones are more attractive than the other vs. treating them like cattle which are pretty much all treated the same... well, with the exception of breeding bulls - even farmers know to breed their biggest, best, & strongest livestock. Humans/cattle/other animals.. we're all selective about breeding and for sound biological reasoning of wanting to carry on the best possible bloodlines. Hell, we do the same thing with plants we breed, too.

So go reproduce with a poor person if that's your objective. No one's stopping you but you.

Who cares what other people are doing? If they're single, partnered, happy or unhappy with their relationship status etc. Really, who cares? None of those people matter one bit towards your own happiness and life situation. Do as you want for yourself and be happy. None of those other people are influencing your thoughts, emotions, actions, relationship status etc - you are 100% in control of all of those factors, including how attractive you are to others. You acknowledge that people with better physical fitness have an easier time with getting dates, and people with more money/material wealth etc yet you say you're uninterested in doing any of those things or changing/improving yourself to obtain what you want.. do you see the cycle of ridiculousness here? Do what you want to with your time, but don't complain about the results you're getting if you're unwilling to do anything differently in order to get something more and better out of life.

Women aren't entitled to high status males just for being born with a vagina. Not by a long shot. There's a HUGE range of quality of women just like there are men. The women getting high status guys are typically considered beautiful/attractive first and foremost - that's Not all women. Second they probably have a lot more going for them, too, like intelligence, personality, health, fitness.. and maybe they work damned hard on their goals/dreams/careers/passions etc too. Just because someone is born female doesn't guarantee them the high life on some high status male's dime. Not by a long shot. Only the cream of the crop are chosen to live the good life.. the rest are just average people like everyone else.

Women don't automatically deserve love. They've got to be loveable. Crazy b*****s can remain single crazy cat ladies or something. Kind affectionate women find love in return for what they put out there into the universe.

You are right though, men really do need to man up or die. (die as in not reproduce their family blood line, not die as in suicide.) It's the way of the world. Survival of the fittest. Always has been and always will be that way. The sooner you accept & embrace it, and man up, the better time you're going to have enjoying the fruits of your labour vs. being bitter and angry that you don't have a girlfriend because you're not willing to improve your own health/wealth/status and so on. In the competitive reality of the world we live in, what makes you think you deserve to have a woman of your choosing without having to do the hard work required to make yourself attractive to women?

Modern society is competitive, too competitive in my opinion....and one does not have to be the best 'alpha male' to get affection...free. Not everyone cares about being the top dog and winning the pissing contest, the 'free love' hippie concept is likely more popular than you think....maybe just not within your socio-economic class. I hear lots of stories of friends acquaintances having sex and/or more long term relationships and a large majority of them are anything but 'well off' financially though there are a few who associate with the circle I do who are more well off....but the down to earth, not flaunt it in your face types. If I lived in a more snobby area I doubt I'd be saying the same things about the people I'd be exposed to....location can be a major factor in dating. If one is in an area where they stick out like a sore thumb/don't fit in that can effect dating chances even if they did develop a positive/optimistic attitude which would not be entirely their fault. Not everyone is living somewhere they want to....or has the option to just uproot and move somewhere better.

Lol what you are referring to is psuedo-survival of the fittest having a bunch of money...and a clean cut appearance doesn't make one the 'fittest'. Survival of the fittest is in nature...and has to do with whatever beings have the most durable genetics to keep on reproducing that is all....having more money and high social status has no bearing on what genetics are strong enough to survive and keep being passed on. Also more often than not currently speaking...people don't exactly choose their amount of wealth, its not so easy to just up and improve your wealth to be more attractive....as is people can work harder and harder and still not see their wealth improve. Of course its possible to let opportunities pass by...but there is no guarantee one will even run into such opportunies. I mean consider people in third world countries who go into the city in hopes of making a better lives for themselves that still end up dying on the streets due to malnutrition, starvation, over-exuastion and/or any diseases, sicknesses they might get no matter how hard they work to make a living. That is a rather extreme example for this thread but the point is...people who struggle financially or aren't exactly well off aren't all there because they simply choose not to 'better' them-self.

Lol what you are referring to is psuedo-survival of the fittest having a bunch of money...and a clean cut appearance doesn't make one the 'fittest'. Survival of the fittest is in nature...and has to do with whatever beings have the most durable genetics to keep on reproducing that is all....having more money and high social status has no bearing on what genetics are strong enough to survive and keep being passed on. Also more often than not currently speaking...people don't exactly choose their amount of wealth, its not so easy to just up and improve your wealth to be more attractive....as is people can work harder and harder and still not see their wealth improve. Of course its possible to let opportunities pass by...but there is no guarantee one will even run into such opportunies. I mean consider people in third world countries who go into the city in hopes of making a better lives for themselves that still end up dying on the streets due to malnutrition, starvation, over-exuastion and/or any diseases, sicknesses they might get no matter how hard they work to make a living. That is a rather extreme example for this thread but the point is...people who struggle financially or aren't exactly well off aren't all there because they simply choose not to 'better' them-self.

It's not a modern society thing. Society has always been competitive. No, one doesn't have to be the best "alpha male" but being the best one you can be doesn't hurt your chances of winning any.

Sure, there are "free love" hippie types out there. That's why I suggested socializing with them. And just what socio-economic class is it that you think I belong to? Newsflash: I'm working class poor. Including tips and side job income, I earn approximately an average income for my locale. Maybe a bit below average. I wear $2 thrift store t-shirts and drive a beat up 1990 Honda Civic with 472,500 kms on the clock. I don't waste money so have accumulated a bit of savings and am not paycheque to paycheque and don't have any debts - but that's all post-bankruptcy ~1.5 years ago. I rent a room from family in the suburbs. I'm not flat broke, but I'm certainly no well off.. yet - I'm working on that part.

You aren't a tree. If you don't like where you live, move. If it's someone's goal to relocate, especially in Canada/America, they can achieve that goal even if it takes them a while to save up enough money to pay for moving costs. I don't recall anyone in this thread saying they didn't like where they lived, though, so I'm not sure why it's relevant.

Also I suppose I mean the socio-economic class you seem to try kinda hard to emulate the attitude of...which seems to be the snobbish upper middle class, at least that is what you sound like whenever you post a tangent on dating and why you think someone isn't able to find a girlfriend...or rip someone a new one for complaining about their financial situation and or lack of job or being unable to find one. There are people who do that in my family and it can be bothersome...they aren't bloody rich high class snobs but sometimes take on that attitude at least my moms side. Also there is a good chance no matter how much you might work on becoming well off you'll never get there...that is a reality for many people, not to say its impossible but with current statistical odds there is a good chance it wont happen.

You don't think females can play guys? Pretty sure they can and even do.

That's exactly what I'm referring to - survival of the fittest. I disagree. It's been my experience and observation that the healthiest, biggest, best, fastest, strongest etc = wealthiest, highest status etc.

Sure, there are "free love" hippie types out there. That's why I suggested socializing with them.

F statistical odds. Don't be a statistic. Be yourself. Bust your ass. Earn what you Want by doing what you Need to. Or don't, do as you've always done and get as you've always got. It's your life to live. Me? I choose to be happy and healthy and pursue increased wealth and abundance because life is just better that way.

Yeah, I agree it's pretty pointless to try and make dating "fair".

However, the fact of the matter is that a lot of men are being excluded from the mating process altogether simply because they can't "measure up". Now, truth to be told, this is not exactly a new thing, it's been happening for a long time now. But ever since the female emancipation, the number of men finding themselves in this situation has been rising non-stop. Simply put, the bar for men has been set too high, and they keep raising it higher and higher every day.

This is a problem because, as I mentioned in the other thread, happiness for most men comes from women and sex. When most men realize that these two things just aren't accessible to them, they become depressed and lethargic, essentially a burden on society. And some will even lash out violently. Don't think that a large group of sexually frustrated men doesn't have the power to destroy a civilization. In fact, it's what destroyed most civilizations throughout History.

well doing nothing isn't going to change how unfair dating is either.

Imaging if gays, blacks, women, the founding fathers, etc had all followd that advice.
dating can be more fair and not trying to change it will make sure it stays unfair.
ranting on dating sites wont' do it though and I suppose its more in women's hands to change it then mens. still I think it needs to change is it is just a a super slow pace. I think kids 100 years from now will have a more balanced dating. or they'll be assigned partners based on the government's analysis of efficiency. either way it'll be easier.

They most certainly can. In fact, women do most of the "playing", but they don't "play" for sex.



So, is it "survival of the fittest" or can any guy really find a girlfriend so long as he really tries hard. I mean, I know calling out feminists for inconsistency is like calling out dogs for licking their own balls, but still, make up your mind already.

Goldfish, you are a good testament and success story to how circumstances can change depending on your mindset and level of persistence. The past doesn't define us but the future and how we choose to respond to these obstacles we face.
Good to see you have succeeded against the odds and obstacles.

I browse this forum from time to time and your posts are very uplifting. Some people will try to keep you down by placing chains on your wrists but to hell with doubt, keep it up.