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05 Jul 2015, 1:16 pm

I think a guy should pay for dinner/lunch/whatever else, during the courting phase. Of course a woman should bring her own money just in case he doesn't. I think when a guy pays for dinner, it shows his level of interest. If I ask a guy out (which I would not), then he should at least offer to pay. But if I asked him out, I guess if he didn't offer I would pay.

Either way, I realize that if I keep things traditional, then there will be less confusion. So I don't ask men out, because I want to know that he likes me and not just the other way around. When a guy takes me out and pays, I feel like he is trying to woo me. If I have to crack my wallet open... I don't feel wooed. :|



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05 Jul 2015, 3:03 pm

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I think a guy should pay for dinner/lunch/whatever else, during the courting phase. Of course a woman should bring her own money just in case he doesn't. I think when a guy pays for dinner, it shows his level of interest. If I ask a guy out (which I would not), then he should at least offer to pay. But if I asked him out, I guess if he didn't offer I would pay.

Either way, I realize that if I keep things traditional, then there will be less confusion. So I don't ask men out, because I want to know that he likes me and not just the other way around. When a guy takes me out and pays, I feel like he is trying to woo me. If I have to crack my wallet open... I don't feel wooed. :|



And that whatever else includes gifts, vacations... a lot of things, right? Why is that?

If the guy invites you, he should pay, because you are his guest.

If you invite the guy, you should pay, because he is your guest. Why should he pay?

If he pays for vacation for first time, you pay for then next vacation, or to go half half...or whoever invites pays.

- but like the guy in the video pointed out, a lot of women are so entitled to a man's money, like you, that feel that a man should pay even if the woman invites him. The real problem is in the lack of reciprocity from a lot of women.

If money makes you wooed...then well, you are doing a kind of pro....*cough* cough*.

I mean, is it only his act of paying that makes you feel wooed? nothing else? not his talk? not his looks? not his personality? it's all down to the wallet?

Nothing wrong in that 'benefits transaction', but you really should realize what it is in case you don't.



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05 Jul 2015, 5:40 pm

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It's not entitlement to set your rules for dating someone. Your way or the highway. Besides, demanding that the man pay for everything is a good way to filter out those who can't afford it, and they have every right to do so.


so people have a right to be self centered, superficial horrible people. is this what you want all of humanity to be. this is sexual equality that feminism wanted? or is it an inequality where women are more powerful then men and treated like gods for having vagina. women work and make money now they should just provide for themselves.
so much entitlement. you wonder why so many men feel entitled to sex, well its because so many women feel entitled to a mans money.



It's not self centered or superficial to expect the person who asked you out to pay for the date. It's traditional that the guy asks the girl out and pays for the date, but it's gotten more common for the girls to do the asking and the paying. It's nothing to do with wanting his money, it's really more about how tradition and the usual way things are done slowly changing.

Women do provide for themselves for the most part. Most women do work. In relationships even if the guy pays for the dates most of the time, the girls do give gifts or do things for their boyfriends like buy them things if they have the money for that. Also, after being in a relationship for a few months it's usually not a big deal who pays for things any longer. If they both want to go to something and the guy usually pays but he doesn't have the money for it, she chips in or pays for it. After a while it's more along the lines of "What do we have enough money to do this weekend" rather than "What does he have the money to take me to this weekend?"

In a marriage, most women work as well and people pool their money. Also, many times she makes as much or more than he does, so she ends up shouldering most of the financial burden. Traditional roles in marriage when it comes to earning aren't seen all that often now. I'm one of the very few ladies I know who is one of the old school classic housewives and does everything at home and has a husband who goes to work. However, I still pay the bills. He wants no part of that so he gives me the money when he comes home on Friday and keeps about a hundred for himself for the week for lunches or whatever and I take the rest and pay bills and buy for the house. He goes out to work 8 hours a day and when he gets home he doesn't have to do anything. When I'm sick he helps out, and he does lift and move heavy objects anytime that needs to be done, but he comes home and sits back and does whatever he wants, so it's not at all unfair. He's happy with it like this and I'm happy with it like this and our kids had great childhoods and are happy with it like this and have said many times that they are very glad they had a mom who was at home by choice and actually did things for them when they were growing up.

Also, I know several girls who are with guys who either don't have a job or can't keep a job or have really sh***y jobs. My best friend is with a douchebag who just won't work. He won't keep a job at all. She supports him, although she's getting sick of it and is about ready to leave him. He treats her like crap anyway and all he wants to do is sit around and get high while she goes to work and pays the bills. She's staying with the methadone clinic and he's not so thats another reason. Also it's another reason he won't keep a job - other than him just being a big whiney baby who gets so upset he throws a fit anytime his boss says anything to him he doesn't like, such as "You can't come to work two hours late and expect to work that day, go home and come back tomorrow" or "You can't disappear for lunch and come back three hours later, high. Go home and come back tomorrow". She's also a very beautiful girl and popular too, she just picks real losers for some reason. He's not even good looking. She's got issues.

So, women aren't just out there looking for money. While there are gold diggers, most women are not at all gold diggers. There are plenty of shallow ones too, but most aren't. Also, I don't think it's shallow to want to be with a man who has a job and has a job that supports him even if it wouldn't support two people. I wouldn't think it was shallow if a man wanted that in a woman either, but man guys are fine with women being housewives, although most of us don't want to do that - I guess I'm not mainstream that way.

Bottom line, most women won't turn you down just because you aren't loaded nor will they dump you if you can't take them out to nice places every week. And, the person who does the asking also does the paying.


first he said that the man pays fore EVERYTHING so idk know why you and others bring up if the guy asked her out, we aren't talking about if the guy asked her out. we talking about no mattter the situation no matter if she asked him out or they been in a relationship for years, the guy pays for EVERYTHING

also you're from the south. I'm from the northwest. completely different cultures. so while in the south two people working or the woman working why billy bob slacks off and stays home w*king and drinkinb beer may fly , it doesnt' with women here.

see heres what I don't get. you don't know the people that live here, you don't look at their proflies, ads, you don't listen to them talk about love and relationships. women here very much do demand a guy make more then them. the reason" well he has to be able to provide for me" yeah they work or they say they work, yet still want a guy to make more then enough to provide for both of them and pay for vacations. because they like to travel and well its on the guy to make it happen. >.> so idk maybe its because in the west we aren't as conseritive christian as the south but its how it is here. I'm not lying. is it all women no, but the ones who dont' got take fast by guys who dont' make much or work at all. see theres a lot of low paid guys here and a lot of unemployed guys. unemployment is high. so women willing to accept said guys are in high demand.

I can show you texts from the girl who was supposed to be my friend lecturing about how life is. she says all the same stuff, all the women at my work say it, women on my facebook say it, women on okcupid, pleanty of fish, and craigslist say it. I'm really not making it up:( why would I make up such a thing why would I purposely make myself feel good. then the ones who don't' list it. well half of them rejected me after messaging and asking if i worked. what I did, how much I made. it makes it really hard to find a woman when you have to deal with the normal stuff of interest, personality similarities, body shape, looks, etc. but then add that 90% even if you match all that stuff will reject you out front for your crappy job. I thought 10 an hour was good, mean heck whats it like 7 an hour down there? is in Missouri. but here they look at 10 an hour as trash.

when I work. I go in work my ass off at whatever I'm doing. I give it my best. I strive for perfection. I want to give my employer and customers the best product I can. I follow the rules. meanwhile the other employees, slack off whenever they can, hide and play on their phones(strictly forbidden they fire people for this.) I'm not lazy when it comes to work.

yeah they want money and everything else. but if you lack the first here you're worthless. I don't make the rules. dating and relationships here is super one sided. though idk like I said all the ones not like this were already taken, perhaps thats why all these women are still single and been single for years?

my job/ssi does support me, and if I got a job making 10 an hour it'd support me just fine, even let me buy fun things I like more often. but its not considered a decent job. which is ironic when you look at the women and bunch work min wage jobs(9 an hour) mean the women at work are working the same job I am yet guys working it aren't considered good enough for them. wtf. I guess I could go troll the homeless camps for homeless 50 year old women. but I do have some standards. I want a girl my age. heck I'd probably let a girl live with me rent free. its not about money with me. I just want a woman for who she is. to enjoy her company.

think if I ever win the lottery I'm moving to indiana or montana. but until then I'm stuck here. I won't leave all my family and connections to live homeless in another state. that would be insane.


Well then of course you are correct, all women in the Northwest want rich men, and you don't stand a chance in hell so why try to find out if thats really true. I mean after listening to what you said, video games is all you've really got, so there is no reason to think it will ever, ever be different. Also, being Southern and 51, I'm pretty stupid and no matter what kind of life I've had it was probably a fluke that I've done well and me and my poor redneck friends and their double first name guys need to hush cause we know nothing. I mean how would I know anything about other places without going and living there? It's not like there is some kind of device where I can meet and talk to and interact with people from different parts of the country. It's not like I could talk to them with an open mind and find out that not everybody is the same. That would be a ridiculous concept. I'm just stupid to consider that maybe there are girls up there who don't just want rich guys. Well, what would you expect from a stupid old redneck woman anyway?

Good luck.


never said rich, rich is bill gates. they want middle class incoem. ie decent jobs.

also never said you're stupid. I too talk to people from other regions. and this problem isn't limited to just mine. but know what difference between me and you. I don't' assume that because I read some stuff online or talked to a few people I know what an area is like. you just assume I'm lying and women are so sweet and will all date homeless bums. so must be something wrong with me. always gotta be the mans fault impossible that women can be wrong or superficial . what a load of crap. go make an account for my area read their profiles. go check out craigslist. pm me and I'll send you the text messages that girl sends me.

you have this mindset that since I have difference experience and disagree with you I must think you're stupid. well I'd never call anyone stupid thank you very much I always try my best to never hurt people and make them happy.

also stop putting words in my mouth I said most women not all.

how does you as a woman doing well finding a guy to provide for you equal to the struggles of a men to find a woman willing to accept a guy who can't provide for them. sounds like opposite sides of the issue to me. its really no shock to me that women can find a guy. lots of men will take any woman they can get. women only have to lower their standards. and before you say anything this isn't an insult to you or saying that your man settled or you not good woman. I'm just talking in general. if a woman came up to me tomorrow and said you going date me. I'd accept. most straight single men would. but reverse the rolls and it wouldn't go the same.


If you think it all boils down to money then have you ever thought about either going to school to get a better job or getting one now that requires harder physical labor but actually pays more? Also, many times a girl will overlook the fact that a guy has a sh***y job if there are other things about him that outweigh the bad job. Personality and looks can be worked on, it just takes a lot of work and if you fail after fixing that then it's a really hard blow to your self esteem, or if you succeed after fixing them then you are just kicking yourself for not doing it before.

Do you go to therapy at all? Maybe to talk about your attitude?


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05 Jul 2015, 8:50 pm

If the man is always paying for the dates, then the least the woman should do is provide breakfasts.



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05 Jul 2015, 10:22 pm

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If you think it all boils down to money then have you ever thought about either going to school to get a better job or getting one now that requires harder physical labor but actually pays more? Also, many times a girl will overlook the fact that a guy has a sh***y job if there are other things about him that outweigh the bad job. Personality and looks can be worked on, it just takes a lot of work and if you fail after fixing that then it's a really hard blow to your self esteem, or if you succeed after fixing them then you are just kicking yourself for not doing it before.

Do you go to therapy at all? Maybe to talk about your attitude?


never said its all that matters. that would entale that most women woudl be with a guy they hate just for his money, which is not what I said. I am saying they wont' be with a guy who is great but lacks money. they want it all and most refuse to settle. its a system like problem sovling

does he make good money
if yes move to next phase, if no pass.
next phase, is he attractive(this can also be phase one on dating sties.)
if yes move to next, if no pass.
does have have similar inters
ETC
etc
etc

if you dont' make enough you're not worthy getting closer to to find out the rest. this is how life is for men, unless you're social enough to go to bars and pick up women, social enough to be able to overide said system of choosing me, but then I also see so many threads about dumping bfs who are good but lack money, so being social enough doesn't' garentee long term. do you're friends every complain about their bf/husbands never working and talk about wanting to leave them?

things like "I'm not a taxi" "i'm not his mom" "i'm not a sugar momie" come to mind they've been said by women on wp.

see if you'd read any of my past posts/threads you'd know i went to college for 4 years, and got a degree but the work isn't for me so the degree is useless and left me with debt. even the girl I had been texting finally accepted I was screwed after hearing that. shes the one who says all this stuff constantly to me, well use to.

I'm quite weak. beyond that I've learned I'm an inside worker. contruction, automotive(degree in), fire watch, is too loud, fast pace, and violent(yelling screaming at each other) for me. I have hearing sensitivities. just hitting a hammer to anying hurts and makes me blink. I'm also very timid, not really good for hard labor that requires brave strong men who arn't afriad of geting hurt or touching things. the saw mill was aweful (all the walking past and over saws, possible of being dragged into machines. one guy was debarked(deskined) and lived few minutes after. I barely made it home without crashing and then paced around non stop and crying. so nope. security would been good but I lack experience which no one wants to give. so with any luck I guess casheir, but its so low paying women would never date me so whats the point of putting myself though that. Id go back to school but under policy obama signed back in 2012, you can only now go for limited credits and no more then two majors. so I can never go back to school again.

looks can't be changed without surgery which is expensive as its considered noneeded by insurance. personaly can be minor changed but not alot. I mean if it could we'd done it and only have the one perfect personality no?
I'm timid. some people are, others aren't others don't care about anyone but them.(the girl) while I try my best to never hurt others. its odd that these traits of kindness or sweetheart are described as good. the girl orinaglly said any woman would be lucky to have me as a bf, something I often hear from married/taken women. yet she also said I horrible for not making good money. so I'm quite confused. though suppose at that point she hadn't know I make slightly above min wage. so she would loved to be with my personality but my lack of money is a deal breaker as it seems to be with many women just like she says. I don't know how she over looked my hideousness though.

finally a woman told me the trough that I'm ugly and no woman will see me as otherwise.

I really don't' understand why other women lie. is it to protect feelings but thats mean, just let us men know so we can rid the world of such wothless uglyness.

as for therapy I've tried it a few times never helped. made me feel worse. tried to request a 3rd new person but they never got back to me. I don't' need people telling me how horrible I am and getting paid for it.

I'd pm you but I'm afraid your be mean to me. you'd think I hate women yet I still love themI still want to make them happy that's why I have to die.



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06 Jul 2015, 2:07 am

If money is the first consideration when seeking a man, then it it the most important quality you see in a man.

What do you bring to the relationship in exchange for his money?



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06 Jul 2015, 2:30 am

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If money is the first consideration when seeking a man, then it it the most important quality you see in a man.

What do you bring to the relationship in exchange for his money?


intersting way of seeing it indeed. I tend to look for common interst/playfulness in woman after looks of course. I think looks is the most important. unless you're on a dating site with no photos. so I think most people will sort out each other based on the picture first. picture then profile writings for me. this is where playfulness will show its self, well sometimes they post playful pictures :D its also where they lists their interests. I honestly don't' care about what they do for a job. I won't be spending time with them at their work.



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06 Jul 2015, 2:37 am

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Loveurself wrote:
I think a guy should pay for dinner/lunch/whatever else, during the courting phase. Of course a woman should bring her own money just in case he doesn't. I think when a guy pays for dinner, it shows his level of interest. If I ask a guy out (which I would not), then he should at least offer to pay. But if I asked him out, I guess if he didn't offer I would pay.

Either way, I realize that if I keep things traditional, then there will be less confusion. So I don't ask men out, because I want to know that he likes me and not just the other way around. When a guy takes me out and pays, I feel like he is trying to woo me. If I have to crack my wallet open... I don't feel wooed. :|



And that whatever else includes gifts, vacations... a lot of things, right? Why is that?

If the guy invites you, he should pay, because you are his guest.

If you invite the guy, you should pay, because he is your guest. Why should he pay?

If he pays for vacation for first time, you pay for then next vacation, or to go half half...or whoever invites pays.

- but like the guy in the video pointed out, a lot of women are so entitled to a man's money, like you, that feel that a man should pay even if the woman invites him. The real problem is in the lack of reciprocity from a lot of women.

If money makes you wooed...then well, you are doing a kind of pro....*cough* cough*.

I mean, is it only his act of paying that makes you feel wooed? nothing else? not his talk? not his looks? not his personality? it's all down to the wallet?

Nothing wrong in that 'benefits transaction', but you really should realize what it is in case you don't.


Sad thinking on your part...*Cough/calling* me a hooker for not wanting a guy who doesn't want to put any effort into courting a woman.

Maybe a less dignified person would go deeper, but with your lack of marbles; it would be pointless to try to enlighten you.

Good luck with alllllllllllll the ladies.... you'll need it; trying to get everything with no effort and a lack of character.

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06 Jul 2015, 3:13 am

plenty of ways to court a lady that doesn't cost money. dinner in a restaurant isn't the only way to date.



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06 Jul 2015, 3:36 am

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plenty of ways to court a lady that doesn't cost money. dinner in a restaurant isn't the only way to date.



This is true. Courting requires effort/planning etc., overall, this post is about who should pay. I want somone who is not going to expect with no effort. If he can't put the effort in, then it won't work. That would be just a preview of what a relationship would look like with him... one-sided.

I want/demand someone who knows I'm worth the effort. That means whatever it takes to be with me. If he can't see that and won't put the effort in, then I want nothing to do with him.

I have my OWN money and my OWN stove, that I know how to use. So, if a guy asks me out and I except, then he should pay and not waste MY time. I don't mind paying for a few dates, I'm just not going to pay in the very beginning. That's his job. If he wants to earn my time, then effort is required.



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06 Jul 2015, 3:59 am

Loveurself wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Loveurself wrote:
I think a guy should pay for dinner/lunch/whatever else, during the courting phase. Of course a woman should bring her own money just in case he doesn't. I think when a guy pays for dinner, it shows his level of interest. If I ask a guy out (which I would not), then he should at least offer to pay. But if I asked him out, I guess if he didn't offer I would pay.

Either way, I realize that if I keep things traditional, then there will be less confusion. So I don't ask men out, because I want to know that he likes me and not just the other way around. When a guy takes me out and pays, I feel like he is trying to woo me. If I have to crack my wallet open... I don't feel wooed. :|



And that whatever else includes gifts, vacations... a lot of things, right? Why is that?

If the guy invites you, he should pay, because you are his guest.

If you invite the guy, you should pay, because he is your guest. Why should he pay?

If he pays for vacation for first time, you pay for then next vacation, or to go half half...or whoever invites pays.

- but like the guy in the video pointed out, a lot of women are so entitled to a man's money, like you, that feel that a man should pay even if the woman invites him. The real problem is in the lack of reciprocity from a lot of women.

If money makes you wooed...then well, you are doing a kind of pro....*cough* cough*.

I mean, is it only his act of paying that makes you feel wooed? nothing else? not his talk? not his looks? not his personality? it's all down to the wallet?

Nothing wrong in that 'benefits transaction', but you really should realize what it is in case you don't.


Sad thinking on your part...*Cough/calling* me a hooker for not wanting a guy who doesn't want to put any effort into courting a woman.

Maybe a less dignified person would go deeper, but with your lack of marbles; it would be pointless to try to enlighten you.

Good luck with alllllllllllll the ladies.... you'll need it; trying to get everything with no effort and a lack of character.

:bball:


Hit a nerve?

Answer this: If YOU invite the guy, why he should pay?



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06 Jul 2015, 4:01 am

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plenty of ways to court a lady that doesn't cost money. dinner in a restaurant isn't the only way to date.



This is true. Courting requires effort/planning etc., overall, this post is about who should pay. I want somone who is not going to expect with no effort. If he can't put the effort in, then it won't work. That would be just a preview of what a relationship would look like with him... one-sided.

I want/demand someone who knows I'm worth the effort. That means whatever it takes to be with me. If he can't see that and won't put the effort in, then I want nothing to do with him.

I have my OWN money and my OWN stove, that I know how to use. So, if a guy asks me out and I except, then he should pay and not waste MY time. I don't mind paying for a few dates, I'm just not going to pay in the very beginning. That's his job. If he wants to earn my time, then effort is required.



well I do put in effort I for exampled learned about roses and the different color meanings, while before hand it was just roses that happen to be different colors. I prefer to go on walks in public parks, safer for both, and free. though I find it romantic and lets two people talk and share interests all while enjoying nature all around them.

I don't like the idea of earning another time. isn't his time worth anything or do you just seem him as not as worth much as you? time and companion ship should be shared for the same. you should be sharing your time in exchange for his for a chance to find a companion. while I put in effort its to to be romantic. I'm not nor will I ever want to earn some womans time. if i found out thats how she saw it, I'd break it off. ruins the romance. I don't see love as a business transaction. why should i put in all the effort to be romantic and please a woman if she sees it that way and not for what it is.

you speak of one sided , but really its you that sees it as one sided, that you just being around him is all you have to do. and he needs to earn the privilege just to be next to you. do you really not just enjoy being with another human being?
o.O

edit. also Id like to point out its really stressful on a guy to have to constantly put in effort constantly having to think up new and better ways to keep earning you. sooner or later they'll all burn out, will you just move on to a new guy?

I don't want a relationship like that. guys need down times to just be themselves and relax.



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06 Jul 2015, 4:03 am

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Back when I was single, if I asked a guy out I paid for the date. Whoever asks the other person out should pay for the date unless they state up front that you are going Dutch. I've had no problems paying for the meal or wherever we went when I asked a guy out. The guy usually had more problems with it than I did. They also usually had problems with the fact that when we took my car, I drove.


I read in the book "Men are from Mars and Women are from Venus" that there are a reason for the etiquette rules. When the man asks a woman out and pays for the date and opens the doors and pulls out her chair, it makes him feel more "masculine" and the woman more "feminine". I used to believe in going "Dutch" and thinking that I make enough money to pay for the date and I can certainly open my own doors and pull out my own chair, but now I believe the other way. I want to be asked out and treated like a lady. Not that I wouldn't think up fun things for me and my Hunny to do that I would totally pay for, but I think when the woman starts paying for a lot of the stuff then the roles are reversed and things just feel weird, IMO. I guess I just like tradition and how things used to be.


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Back when I was single, if I asked a guy out I paid for the date. Whoever asks the other person out should pay for the date unless they state up front that you are going Dutch. I've had no problems paying for the meal or wherever we went when I asked a guy out. The guy usually had more problems with it than I did. They also usually had problems with the fact that when we took my car, I drove.


I read in the book "Men are from Mars and Women are from Venus" that there are a reason for the etiquette rules. When the man asks a woman out and pays for the date and opens the doors and pulls out her chair, it makes him feel more "masculine" and the woman more "feminine". I used to believe in going "Dutch" and thinking that I make enough money to pay for the date and I can certainly open my own doors and pull out my own chair, but now I believe the other way. I want to be asked out and treated like a lady. Not that I wouldn't think up fun things for me and my Hunny to do that I would totally pay for, but I think when the woman starts paying for a lot of the stuff then the roles are reversed and things just feel weird, IMO. I guess I just like tradition and how things used to be.


do you also wear a victiorian dress with long white gloves. that make you look even more femimne and while at have your dad go to all the dates to make sure your virginity is protected. after all both those things came from the same time period as the other things.

also I think those dresses and gloves are sexy. so wouldn't mind a return to them, sadly I'm not rich and can't go to parties where such dressing is still around along with allthe things you mention.

I do open doors. the chair pulling is rather stupid. women can pull out their own chair. opening and holding a door I have to go through anyways is just polite to women or men, but walking to the other side of the table pulling a chair out having you sit in it and then figure out how to have you squat while I push it in then walk back round seems rather in efficient.

I wouldn't really believe those books. people like that also right books saying all aspies are emotionless people who only care about their interests and hate to be touched.
you can choose not to date those guys I guess, but you may just miss out on the perfect guy who would make you happy for the rest of your life. just wonder if pulling a chair out is worth that loss. way more women dont' like that now adays so its in most guys best interests not to do that.

now I like to give a single rose and would like to add a hand kiss as a greeting. sadly most the women didn't like being given a rose or see it as romantic. roses aren't cheap either.

I think it should be 50/50, don't' most couples money just become their money not his or hers, but shared, then they go and do stuff from the joint funds. though suppose that's might be an traditional trend that isn't around much now.
If I always had to pay for the woman I'd probably start to feel used and wonder if she even likes more or just likes the things I buy her. I spoil the one I love I'm romantic, I like buying special little gifts at random and surprising them, but when its always expected I pay for most than its not being romantic. and I would grow tired of it.

been told by men and some women not do do such things because they will come to expect it and then except mor and more until it reaches a point where you can't keep up. though some men just dint' want to be romantic or give rose/flowers. idk, just my point of view. I prefer romance. also I'd like to be romanced back too. but I don't' expect it.



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06 Jul 2015, 4:22 am

btw, you are not allll ladies.

Funny, who's stereotyping all ladies now?



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06 Jul 2015, 4:27 am

Loveurself wrote:
I think a guy should pay for dinner/lunch/whatever else, during the courting phase. Of course a woman should bring her own money just in case he doesn't. I think when a guy pays for dinner, it shows his level of interest. If I ask a guy out (which I would not), then he should at least offer to pay. But if I asked him out, I guess if he didn't offer I would pay.

Either way, I realize that if I keep things traditional, then there will be less confusion. So I don't ask men out, because I want to know that he likes me and not just the other way around. When a guy takes me out and pays, I feel like he is trying to woo me. If I have to crack my wallet open... I don't feel wooed. :|


That's fine with me. I don't really see any problem with this except when it is combined with playing hard-to-get and the girl is expecting the guy to do all the work. At that point it becomes really problematic and one-sided. Also, why would the guy put down enormous effort in you when you put down no effort whatsoever in him? If I put down a lot of effort on a girl (and then I don't only mean paying for things, which is really no effort for me), then I expect her to reciprocate that otherwise I won't continue putting down effort in her.



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