The value of men

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I don't really care how society values me. I care about how my family, girlfriend, and friends value me. If you were to ask them why they value me, they'd probably say something along the lines of me being caring, thoughtful, genuine, and loyal. I don't think my job would be mentioned at all, it's not that important when considering my value as a person. Maybe society thinks I'm more valuable now that I'm working a decent paying 9-5 job than I was when I was unloading trucks part time, but I think society is wrong. I'm just not buying the idea that one's value is dependent on how much money they make.

I don't think anyone gets offended when men say they wants an "ideal" with good looks.

The issue kicks in when schlubby, not-so-attractive dudes insist they ONLY want to date, say, much younger, fitter SUPER-hottie women and insist it's UNFAAAAAAAAIIIIR that said super-hotties don't want to date them.

(Like WantToGetLife who admits he's not a super-hottie and is mad that hot late teens/early 20s super-hottie girls want noting to do with him).

I think realistic expectations are key. My take is that it is unreasonable to expect anything from a partner that you don't expect from yourself.

(If you're a super-fit hottie, it's reasonable to expect super-fit hotties to date you. If you're not a super-fit hottie, it's AWESOME if a super-fit hottie wants to date you but you are gonna be single 4 ages if you expect ONLY super fit hotties to date you).

I agree with this completely.

I've been attracted to a certain fit body type, and some of them have always been attracted to me.. but the fitter I get, the more probable they are to be attracted to me. I'm currently ~12.0% bodyfat & like very lean slim builds. I'd never date someone that was out of shape, and so, in turn, I continue to get myself into ever better shape. I don't have higher expectations of a potential partner than I do of myself. If anything, the inverse is true.