Beta males - why do woman dislike them?

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Nope, zero interest any guy who would resort to violence if some "stranger approached to make trouble". Hair-trigger, lack of impulse control and the accompanying lack of brain cells holds exactly zero appeal.

Sane people exercise any number of physical violence-avoiding strategies to avoid "troublesome strangers" such as leaving the club, crossing the street, calling 911 or ducking into a nearby store.

(Sane, smart women tend to avoid dudes with a history of violence).

Holly (at dinner party celebrating her acceptance into grad school in Applied Psycho-Neurobiology): "Thank you so much for this lovely reception. I'd like you to meet my boyfriend, Grog."

Grog: "Ungh."

Amber (Party host): "So Grog, what do you think about Holly's early findings that increasing endoribonuclease L expression in C2C12 myogenic cells during their multipotency phase favors their adipogenic potential?

Grog: "Ughh. Where beer?"

Amber: <points off to the left>
<affectionately watches Grog amble toward the beer, knocking lots of thin, intelligent-looking people out of his way with his shoulders.>
<whispers to Holly:> "He's so dreamy, Holly. I bet he's real handy in all those dive bars, pool halls, and back alleys where you like to hang out. I'd like one just like him, but I bet they're all taken."

Holly: "Yeah, he can really beat the sh*t out of criminals. When we talk about my research and he grunts his reply, I know it's like talking to a dog about nuclear medicine, but I know I'll be safe and our children will be strong dominators. What's important is that my children will fulfill my dreams for them of being able to play football really well and be able to beat up every other kid on the playground. Because we both know that survival is what means most to us women."

Amber: "You're so right, Holly." <looks back toward Grog. sighs in envy at Amber's great catch. walks off toward beer.> "Oh, Grog, I have another question for you…"

I think it depends on the situation. I would rather my partner appreciated me for whom I am. As a rule, I will try and avoid trouble at any cost as force should be a last resort.

But if the situation requires that I use force to subdue someone Ill use it. Clubbing is my thing and I like my beer.I dont like force, I dont like using it randomly but then again in some situations you have no choice.

If the woman I am with is the sort of woman who prefers hard cases, then clearly it is going to be one date which it often is.

so that means you would NOT look down on a guy who could not defend you?

This woman's a mol bio PhD and THIS is how she thinks the epigenome works?

Nope. Not at all.

If a person with malevolent intent is approaching my BF and I, my #1 goal is to survive and I'd expect his to be too. Research overwhelmingly suggests the best way to do accomplish that goal is FLEE. Flight works waaaaaay better than fight for, umm, everybody who isn't in law enforcement. And then call law enforcement.

(Self-defense class taught me that if it's a mugger or something, the BEST thing to do is throw your purse/wallet in the OPPOSITE direction from which you run like hell).

Also, not being stupid enough to engage with the VAST majority of folks with malevolent intent is a quality I value very highly in the men I date (most of the malevolents I've encountered are drunk morons in bars or scary road-ragers; walk/drive away calmly is what I'm looking for), along with law-abiding-ness (not, say, dealing drugs or being in a gang or hanging out with drug-dealing gang members is an excellent way reduce the risk of BF having to physically assault someone to protect me. Or themselves).

you are an exceptionally rare [and mature] person, in this regard

There's a perceptual crux in the subtext of this thread - sure, people gravitate to strong partners. As a guy I think I should point out that the #1 thing I appreciate about any girl I know is seeing the same resilience I try to build for myself from her. That said, not getting into fights in square one is the surest way to maintain strength, though ladies & germs have very different approaches to accomplishing this. As a guy, I make sure to stay active enough that potential adversaries will usually decide I'm not worth the gamble. I've only had to duck one fight since 7th grade, the rest I ended with one good scowl, cue the tumbleweeds. Of course, plenty of women have employed the same strategies, though as a rule (or historical precedent) they've had to be more cautious and aware of their cognitive effects on those around them. Guys tend to have the natural advantage when it comes to blending in, or at least looking more natural in such perilous scenarios, so some women paint us into those corners even when there's no need to. I strongly prefer girls with a tough nature about them, they're among the rare people I can 100% identify with, because if my brain were masculine all the way through, I doubt I'd have any interest in the fairer sex.

We dudes can turn all the same cognitive trends to our advantage the way women do, just in different places. That's why I'm a pacifist who could convince you he's a mercenary.

Exactly. It's a parody of a scenario where a really intelligent woman actually did prefer a guy way below her intellectually. It doesn't work that way. That's my point.

There' a relief!

Anecdotally, I think insecurity tends to result in really, really bad relationship decisions that manifest somewhat differently in guys than girls. Guys tend to serially date dopey-but-hot girls (far be it from me to deny anybody the occasional hot 19 yo; 10 years of a new hot-but-dippy 17 or 19 yo, with none of them lasting more than a few months is kind of an issue. Also, if you're, like, 28+ and bring a hot 17 yo to a party, pretty much every other girl there is going to wonder what's wrong with you, because something MUST be amiss for you to think its cool to date a kid in high school, even if she is legal). Girls tend to run in a crowd of dippy, waaaaay-below-them crowd of girlfriends while getting walked all over by a more-or-less on their 'level' boyfriend).

As ever, there are always exceptions -- sometimes the 43 yo falls hard for the 19 yo (who's very bright but not necessarily book-smart) and I've several girlfriends who are academics or physician-scientists who are happily married to men in the trades (whom they met whilst building/renovating their labs; the guys tend to have flexible schedules which is helpful when their kids are young and the "two body" problem is eliminated since *everywhere* there's a need for plumbers, welders and whatnot).

Well I'm a woman, and I would much rather date a beta than an alpha. I find guys who are very confident in themselves to be quite a turn off, and actually I find their confidence rather intimidating too. I would feel much more comfortable opening up to a guy who is rather quiet and reserved, like I am.

Well it sounds like you are talking about girls leading guys on....I dislike that as well. I mean if a guy takes a girl out on a first date they should not just expect that sex is going to occur that is what I more meant. But I think it is kinda nasty when girls will be overly flirty and borderline intimate like they want to have sex and then turn the guy down...I don't think I would do that to a guy I'm dating.

shush, you're such a troll lol...omg.

I meant she doesn't have the brains to enjoy the company of a smart guy, so will just look for someone who fills her base sexual needs. She lives to survive rather than enlighten herself and her surroundings... yeah I'm a snooty b***h.

I live in a rural area. Beatings aren't exactly normal happenings around here. I'd prefer a dude with the common sense not to end up in an area where things are liable to turn violent. We are apparently living in one of the most non-violent times in human history. I read an interesting article about it in The Guardian earlier in the year, but can't find it. Violence is mostly in localised hotspots therefore unless you live in Syria or some rough city neighbourhood, you probably don't need to be violent.


Found it!
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/mar/20/wars-john-gray-conflict-peace