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15 Sep 2015, 5:54 pm

IMO, you should keep your mind distracted from thinking of how you'll win over a girl.


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15 Sep 2015, 6:00 pm

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IMO, you should keep your mind distracted from thinking of how you'll win over a girl.


Yes I agree as well, it leads to anxiety attacks and nothing good.



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16 Sep 2015, 2:36 am

You must try to win her without thinking about it? How?


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16 Sep 2015, 10:35 am

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You must try to win her without thinking about it? How?


Women aren't prizes to be "won" or objects to be acquired. See "Your Princess is in Another Castle" for everything that's wrong that approach.



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17 Sep 2015, 3:01 am

I didn't say they are objects to be won, even though most men think of them that way. Their love is something to be won.
You are a very unfriendly, harsh and judgemental person, more so than me.


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18 Sep 2015, 2:32 am

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How is it possible to be involved in a relationship when you lack basic social skills?
It's like trying to do advanced math when you can't add or substract.
Also, how does one get a girlfriend in university?


I suck at arithmetic, but I'm good at advanced math. The thing is it's not the same. You don't need to be a social god, you just need to learn whatever social skills are needed for the relationship. Really the most important thing is you put actual effort into it, don't use a girl as tool to fill your desires. You should be in it for her and she for you.


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18 Sep 2015, 11:22 am

Ganondox wrote:
Cockroach96 wrote:
How is it possible to be involved in a relationship when you lack basic social skills?
It's like trying to do advanced math when you can't add or substract.
Also, how does one get a girlfriend in university?


I suck at arithmetic, but I'm good at advanced math. The thing is it's not the same. You don't need to be a social god, you just need to learn whatever social skills are needed for the relationship. Really the most important thing is you put actual effort into it, don't use a girl as tool to fill your desires. You should be in it for her and she for you.


Without slogging through arithmetic, you wouldn't be in a position to understand, let alone do, advanced math.



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18 Sep 2015, 12:09 pm

Ganondox wrote:
Cockroach96 wrote:
How is it possible to be involved in a relationship when you lack basic social skills?
It's like trying to do advanced math when you can't add or substract.
Also, how does one get a girlfriend in university?


I suck at arithmetic, but I'm good at advanced math. The thing is it's not the same. You don't need to be a social god, you just need to learn whatever social skills are needed for the relationship. Really the most important thing is you put actual effort into it, don't use a girl as tool to fill your desires. You should be in it for her and she for you.


Without slogging through arithmetic, you wouldn't be in a position to understand, let alone do, advanced math.



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22 Sep 2015, 5:25 am

I have a question that somehwat relates to the OP's posts.

My question is, coming from a teenage male, does making friends become any easier after high school and once one enters university?

Even with substantially improved social skills, an improvement in physical appearance (e.g. you started working on your hygiene and looks better and started working out in your later years of high school so that by the time you go to university/college you are your best looking ever so far), will it still be hard?

As in, is there anything to look forward to and, if not, just what can an aspie do to be fully prepared to meet new people and make new friends by the time they first step onto a university campus?



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Outrider wrote:
I have a question that somehwat relates to the OP's posts.

My question is, coming from a teenage male, does making friends become any easier after high school and once one enters university?

Even with substantially improved social skills, an improvement in physical appearance (e.g. you started working on your hygiene and looks better and started working out in your later years of high school so that by the time you go to university/college you are your best looking ever so far), will it still be hard?

As in, is there anything to look forward to and, if not, just what can an aspie do to be fully prepared to meet new people and make new friends by the time they first step onto a university campus?


It didn't get easier. I don't think it gets any easier. College freshman are just high school seniors + 90 days older. Being fitter and better dressed than you were in HS can help some, but unless you were a morbidly obese Quasimodo with hygiene issues in HS, it's a modest some.

What university does give you is a fresh start and exposure to a lot of new people who share your interests and are receptive to making new friends.



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22 Sep 2015, 8:03 am

It became much easier for me once I reached 18.



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22 Sep 2015, 8:51 am

MissyEE3 wrote:
Outrider wrote:
I have a question that somehwat relates to the OP's posts.

My question is, coming from a teenage male, does making friends become any easier after high school and once one enters university?

Even with substantially improved social skills, an improvement in physical appearance (e.g. you started working on your hygiene and looks better and started working out in your later years of high school so that by the time you go to university/college you are your best looking ever so far), will it still be hard?

As in, is there anything to look forward to and, if not, just what can an aspie do to be fully prepared to meet new people and make new friends by the time they first step onto a university campus?


It didn't get easier. I don't think it gets any easier. College freshman are just high school seniors + 90 days older. Being fitter and better dressed than you were in HS can help some, but unless you were a morbidly obese Quasimodo with hygiene issues in HS, it's a modest some.

What university does give you is a fresh start and exposure to a lot of new people who share your interests and are receptive to making new friends.


But doesn't high school give you the exact same thing? XD :lol:

Perhaps there's a maturity difference that makes things easier.

But then again, that might also be an illusion.

Young adults are certainly more mature than teenagers, but young adults are still young adults - if you know what I mean (and I think you do).

Well, does it make any difference if you begin attending college/university at a later age. It's not much of a difference but starting at 20 with a bit of a life already set-up (living on your own, etc.) instead of still living with parents, still job-hunting, etc. I'd think not.



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22 Sep 2015, 8:52 am

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It became much easier for me once I reached 18.


Hopefully. I try to look optimistically to the future.

Out of high school, a small pond of small opportunity, on to something more.



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22 Sep 2015, 10:05 am

The problem for a lot of us is that the only time we ever meet other people on a level other than complete stranger is in school, college or university. Even then most of our experiences with these few people were mostly negative, bullying and isolation are not all too rare for people with autism. This is different for the majority of your colleagues, all their life they have steadily built up positive social experiences. They are constantly seeking social activities and marketing themselves in social circles to improve their value to others. They don't see talking or flirting with you as something special, they see it as a way to gain something as they do all the time. Whether that is making you do their homework or getting you to do the most work in their group exercise. NTs are masters of manipulation and self-gratification, if they are socializing with you while they have no genuine reason to chances are they are going to take advantage of you. They have no reason to be interested in a loner with little social skills that will only be a dead weight to them.

The only thing you can hope is that you meet another oddball like yourself, male or female, so that you won't have to spend every course alone. This may sound kind of harsh but this is the truth, it is better to know this now than to realize this once you have been taken advantage of for years and get betrayed by the people who would act like they were your friends.



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22 Sep 2015, 5:54 pm

qFox wrote:
The problem for a lot of us is that the only time we ever meet other people on a level other than complete stranger is in school, college or university. Even then most of our experiences with these few people were mostly negative, bullying and isolation are not all too rare for people with autism. This is different for the majority of your colleagues, all their life they have steadily built up positive social experiences. They are constantly seeking social activities and marketing themselves in social circles to improve their value to others. They don't see talking or flirting with you as something special, they see it as a way to gain something as they do all the time. Whether that is making you do their homework or getting you to do the most work in their group exercise. NTs are masters of manipulation and self-gratification, if they are socializing with you while they have no genuine reason to chances are they are going to take advantage of you. They have no reason to be interested in a loner with little social skills that will only be a dead weight to them.

The only thing you can hope is that you meet another oddball like yourself, male or female, so that you won't have to spend every course alone. This may sound kind of harsh but this is the truth, it is better to know this now than to realize this once you have been taken advantage of for years and get betrayed by the people who would act like they were your friends.


Where to begin?

You can say no to doing other people's homework.

You can pick a different study group for the second assignment, one that doesn't fob all the work off on you.

The Lily Bart wannabes are easy to avoid on campus by eschewing the Greek and eating club scene. The social climbers will want nothing to do with you in the first place, so this isn't likely to be an issue.

I am an Aspie and am not dead weight. Many of my friends are NT and they socialize for the same reason I do: It is fun.

I agree it easier to meet people in school but there are still many opportunities to meet near strangers as an adult.



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22 Sep 2015, 10:43 pm

MissyEE3 wrote:
I am an Aspie and am not dead weight. Many of my friends are NT and they socialize for the same reason I do: It is fun.



Are you sure you're an aspie? How can socializing be 'fun' for an aspie? Please explicate.