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Ecomatt91
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23 Oct 2015, 5:27 pm

I totally understand that I have aspergers, and that is causing delays in making girlfriends and experience romance, sex and relationships. But I feel that the lack of desirability from the world towards me is that I am getting older, 25 by February, is scaring me.

I have done a lot of effort of being socially active and meeting lot of people especially women. I cant even get past her phone number. I have no idea what I do is wrong, even many times my female friends telling me I haven't done anything wrong. They were honest with that. I thought I have social skills since that I am socially active of going out to events and that. That their reflection I am doing the right thing.

What makes me feel terrible is that I have a feeling that my aspergers is destroying the non verbal communication that cannot be solved due to no cure of it. I tried lot of workshops, counseling and psychologist appointments to get past these issues. They kept telling me I am doing it absolutely fine.

What bothers me that I am approaching to the undesirable ages from 25 that being an inexperienced, dateless virgin with all of the efforts I have been socialising and that. Plentiful events. I have good grades, have apartment, money, car, career is approaching to me and all of that. What is left over, that bothers me a lot is no women to participate with.

I totally understand there are a not of NT virgins around 30 and so, but that probably more likely they have serious problems with themselves. Like mental health issues and religions etc. I don't want to become the 'unwanted' part of the population.

I am totally surprised that I have lots of social efforts and approaching women without faults or blame (since the fact I am told that I am not doing anything wrong). Because I met lot of guys who have similar efforts as me get more chances and easily gets them compared to me is all the rejections and that.

I never approach desperate, let alone I am not like the average guy goes meet a women at the bar and take one night stand. That is more desperate, and I am not into that. I prefer FWB and relationship as normal as what it supposed to be as what the society is doing. The normal 20 something experiences before settling down.

PS: DO NOT EVER TELL ME ABOUT THE SEX WORKERS! Sorry for capital letters. I am very extremely frustrated of friends and that kept telling me to lose my virginity with a sex worker. Its absolutely pushing me away further and it does not ease my situation. Its actually I am giving benefit to that lady, that is money! Gosh! Forget about the fecking money for a bit, cant you give a chance in a mainly humane nature way?



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23 Oct 2015, 5:43 pm

I don't think you make girlfriends. At least, not live ones :D .

Clearly, you're not doing everything right or you wouldn't be having as little success as you are. Unless the friends that are telling you that you're doing everything right are VERY close friends, close enough that they're willing to tell you the truth (which usually isn't easy to hear)... you're getting platitudes. Little white lies to spare your feelings, ie you're doing stuff wrong and they're not dear enough friends to tell you the truth. It's also possible you're a superficially socially successful aspie.

If your current therapist is telling you you're doing everything right, yet nothing's changed and you're very unhappy about the state of your love life, maybe, just maybe, it's time for a new therapist.

The questions I've got for you are:

1. How often do you see friends each week one-on-one or in small, privately arranged groups? Ie not as part of an open invitation to a public meetup/club event.

2. How long have you known your best friend? How often do you chat/get together?

3. How long have you known your closest female friend? How often do you chat/get together?



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23 Oct 2015, 5:54 pm

MrsMartians wrote:
I don't think you make girlfriends. At least, not live ones :D .

Clearly, you're not doing everything right or you wouldn't be having as little success as you are. Unless the friends that are telling you that you're doing everything right are VERY close friends, close enough that they're willing to tell you the truth (which usually isn't easy to hear)... you're getting platitudes. Little white lies to spare your feelings, ie you're doing stuff wrong and they're not dear enough friends to tell you the truth. It's also possible you're a superficially socially successful aspie.

If your current therapist is telling you you're doing everything right, yet nothing's changed and you're very unhappy about the state of your love life, maybe, just maybe, it's time for a new therapist.

The questions I've got for you are:

1. How often do you see friends each week one-on-one or in small, privately arranged groups? Ie not as part of an open invitation to a public meetup/club event.

2. How long have you known your best friend? How often do you chat/get together?

3. How long have you known your closest female friend? How often do you chat/get together?



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23 Oct 2015, 5:56 pm

MrsMartians wrote:
I don't think you make girlfriends. At least, not live ones :D .

Clearly, you're not doing everything right or you wouldn't be having as little success as you are. Unless the friends that are telling you that you're doing everything right are VERY close friends, close enough that they're willing to tell you the truth (which usually isn't easy to hear)... you're getting platitudes. Little white lies to spare your feelings, ie you're doing stuff wrong and they're not dear enough friends to tell you the truth. It's also possible you're a superficially socially successful aspie.

If your current therapist is telling you you're doing everything right, yet nothing's changed and you're very unhappy about the state of your love life, maybe, just maybe, it's time for a new therapist.

The questions I've got for you are:

1. How often do you see friends each week one-on-one or in small, privately arranged groups? Ie not as part of an open invitation to a public meetup/club event.

2. How long have you known your best friend? How often do you chat/get together?

3. How long have you known your closest female friend? How often do you chat/get together?


It already have been different therapists and that. I been to like ten different ones over past few years.

I have plenty friends, ranging from acquaintances to good friends. They all say exactly same thing. I asked them if they are honest and they said yes. They are very honest with me.

1. Once to twice, sometimes three times a week. I mostly have female friends. They asked me, sometimes I asked them to hang out in one-on-one. It wasn't hard to get this to happen, apart from open invitation.

2. I have a best friend for 12 years, he lives in different city. What I am here is I don't have anyone close but they are good friends because of similar interests and stuff. They told me I am inspiring them.

3. Never had a close female friend. I never been close at all.



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23 Oct 2015, 6:10 pm

You've got girls who are good enough acquaintances/casual friends that you see them on an individual basis outside of group activities. Good sign. Why not ask one or two of them if they've a single girlfriend or two to set you up with?

What does your best friend of 12 years say about your efforts? Is he an aspie too? His advice is likely to be honest.

The gaggle of casual acquaintances telling you you are doing everything right, even when pressed for an honest answer, I'd be inclined to take with a boulder of salt, since there's no way to know its not a platitude.



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23 Oct 2015, 6:17 pm

MrsMartians wrote:
You've got girls who are good enough acquaintances/casual friends that you see them on an individual basis outside of group activities. Good sign. Why not ask one or two of them if they've a single girlfriend or two to set you up with?

What does your best friend of 12 years say about your efforts? Is he an aspie too? His advice is likely to be honest.

The gaggle of casual acquaintances telling you you are doing everything right, even when pressed for an honest answer, I'd be inclined to take with a boulder of salt, since there's no way to know its not a platitude.


Been there, done there. Tried that. They said they don't find me attractive. Also they are mostly 'taken' too.

I always get rejected by women is that they are:
1. already taken
2. never find me attractive - either fwb or romance
3. seeing me in wrong way because of my aspergers quirks killing moods



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23 Oct 2015, 6:28 pm

I doubt I am turning 25.

My friend doesn't have aspergers. He have Bipolar, but he already had a girlfriend and experiences though.



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23 Oct 2015, 11:08 pm

No wonder you're failing: you're trying to date Australian girls, some of the most entitled, man-hating, sex-negative females on the planet. It would be like trying to sell meat at a vegan convention.

Book a trip to the Philippines, and your lack of intimacy will be solved OVERNIGHT. I can't get laid either in my home country, but in the Philippines I'm treated like a sex god.



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23 Oct 2015, 11:17 pm

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3. seeing me in wrong way because of my aspergers quirks killing moods
Would need at least a couple of examples to give you some opinions.


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23 Oct 2015, 11:23 pm

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No wonder you're failing: you're trying to date Australian girls, some of the most entitled, man-hating, sex-negative females on the planet. It would be like trying to sell meat at a vegan convention.

Book a trip to the Philippines, and your lack of intimacy will be solved OVERNIGHT. I can't get laid either in my home country, but in the Philippines I'm treated like a sex god.


Sexist much dude? Several million women live in Oz. if none of them are willing to do OP, it's unlikely the issue the *girls*.

Quasi-hookers, desperate girls in the Philippines? Ugh.



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24 Oct 2015, 2:11 am

MrsMartians wrote:
realitypill wrote:
No wonder you're failing: you're trying to date Australian girls, some of the most entitled, man-hating, sex-negative females on the planet. It would be like trying to sell meat at a vegan convention.

Book a trip to the Philippines, and your lack of intimacy will be solved OVERNIGHT. I can't get laid either in my home country, but in the Philippines I'm treated like a sex god.


Sexist much dude? Several million women live in Oz. if none of them are willing to do OP, it's unlikely the issue the *girls*.

Quasi-hookers, desperate girls in the Philippines? Ugh.



I don't agree with his description of oz women - but I also don't agree with your streotype of Filipinas.

I did have short encounters with Filipinas, Indonesians, .... - none of those ones asked for money, none of those ones wanted a serious relationship therefore it wasn't possible that they were desperate for citizenship; they just wanted sex ONLY for fun and found me very attractive for it.
It's totally no different than when some Oz or any any women from elsewhere who just want a sexual fun night.
As simple as that, no hooker job there, no other hidden motives.

One of the reasons why Asians tend to find me more attractive than how Caucasians find me is my height - my height is neither seen as a flaw nor an issue by them, It's within the normal range for them.



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24 Oct 2015, 3:41 am

No offence intended here, but you kinda come off as difficult to understand. Your sentences aren't very coherent, and sometimes I need to reread them to understand what you're trying to say. If you communicate verbally in a similar fashion, women probably find it challenging to understand you, and quickly lose interest because of that. If you can't communicate effectively, friendships and relationships of any kind will often suffer for it.



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24 Oct 2015, 4:14 am

OMG Ecomatt91.
Have any of your many psychiatrists suggested you might be bipolar? You're on here regularly with this kind of post. Then just the other day in another thread you were posting long posts about being patient, and that you were content to just keep doing what you were doing and women were bound so see your value. The right one is worth waiting for....

When people tried to point out your inconsistency, you laid into them about holding to what you'd said in the (distant) past. I held back from pointing out that the past was a week ago. Now you're back here again with the same kind of post as before.

I think this is an important question. You've said that you've had half a dozen psychiatrists in the past year or so. What's up with that? Are they telling you something that you don't want to deal with? Are they ending the relationship? I think this may very well be relevant.



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24 Oct 2015, 6:22 am

The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
No offence intended here, but you kinda come off as difficult to understand. Your sentences aren't very coherent, and sometimes I need to reread them to understand what you're trying to say. If you communicate verbally in a similar fashion, women probably find it challenging to understand you, and quickly lose interest because of that. If you can't communicate effectively, friendships and relationships of any kind will often suffer for it.


His sentences are fine; I am understanding him well enough despite my English.



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24 Oct 2015, 7:45 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
No offence intended here, but you kinda come off as difficult to understand. Your sentences aren't very coherent, and sometimes I need to reread them to understand what you're trying to say. If you communicate verbally in a similar fashion, women probably find it challenging to understand you, and quickly lose interest because of that. If you can't communicate effectively, friendships and relationships of any kind will often suffer for it.


His sentences are fine; I am understanding him well enough despite my English.


No, I agree with Grand Inquisitor. If he writes the way he talks, verbatim, then of course people are going to have trouble understanding him.

If, of course, he speaks in a more clear and articulate manner in real life, he's fine.



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24 Oct 2015, 8:17 am

Outrider wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
No offence intended here, but you kinda come off as difficult to understand. Your sentences aren't very coherent, and sometimes I need to reread them to understand what you're trying to say. If you communicate verbally in a similar fashion, women probably find it challenging to understand you, and quickly lose interest because of that. If you can't communicate effectively, friendships and relationships of any kind will often suffer for it.


His sentences are fine; I am understanding him well enough despite my English.


No, I agree with Grand Inquisitor. If he writes the way he talks, verbatim, then of course people are going to have trouble understanding him.

If, of course, he speaks in a more clear and articulate manner in real life, he's fine.


I have to admit I've wondered this too. This could be part of the problem. I get the sense there are a number of issues we might not be fully informed on.