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Also, zero evidence to supporting the conception that prince charmings are hogging tons of girls leaving none for the average Joe's. Plus more girls than guys on planet.

I think the claim is that a lot of single women have on-and-off relationships with the same guys. Them being alone for a big gap of time between relationships would account for an equal number of men and women being in a relationship at any given time (as must be the case - assuming monogamy). This would still allow more men than women to be completely shut out of relationships (despite equal numbers at any given time).

I'm not saying I've seen positive evidence of this, but it at least doesn't blatantly contradict reality (like the idea that a few "top quality" men are hogging all the women with polyamorous relationships).

Put it this way:

There's a nightclub, and the same 50 men and 50 women visit it every weekend.

The 10 most attractive males, go home with a woman every friday night. In five weeks, this is all 50 women.

Meaning 10 males managed to score with 50 women.

Now, the other 40 males, who are 'average', score with one woman each every 2.5 weeks. After 5 weeks, 40 men scored with 80 women - the 50 that visited the nightclub, and an extra 30 that started showing up within these 5 weeks.

BUT, that means while 10 men scored with 5x as many women, 40 men only scored with 2x as many women.

So, even if there is an equal number of men and women, and, even if Hopper kept arguing that, for every woman who ends up in a relationship, a man does as well, the actual ratio of successful men to successful women is DIFFERENT.

If we do the overall math, that means 50 men were successful, and 80 women were successful, because there's more women than men!

Also, the women that had sex with the attractive men, are the same ones that had sex with the average men.

Which means 50 women scored with 50 men, but you can't say that the original 50 men scored with 50 women...No, only 40 of the original men scored with the original 50, plus an extra 30 on-top of that.

Apply this not just to a nightclub scenario, but the nation, or world, as a whole, and you can see what the deal is

Now, you could argue, 'but that means EVERYONE was successful. Nobody ended up alone, and EVERYBODY WINS!' *trollface*.

Nice try, but try changing '1 week' to '1 year' and '2.5 weeks' to '25 years', and then you can see why there may be more single men than single women, even in countries with a higher population of women.

Monkeysee = Katy

Just a heads up.

Actually, that doesn't follow. As long as we assume only monogamous marriage, there will be approximately as many single men as single women. There might be slightly more single women because there are slightly more women born than men.

Fact is, there are a lot of 20 something single women these days. Many are single up into their 30s. Some are dating, some aren't, some are sexually active, some aren't. Now it is possible the young women who are dating AND sexually active are not dating or interacting sexually with a certain subset of males who would like to be in that group. That can explain the young males who are feeling shut out. If nearly everyone was marrying in their 20s this wouldn't be much of a problem, but these days people are marrying much later in life than in the past. The same could be said about long-term committed relationships in general (regardless of formal marriage).

But when you get to the age where most women who want a committed relationship have one, there can't be more men then women left out. That could only be true if there were more men than women who wanted committed relationships (but the data actually show it being slightly the opposite).

I'm of course restricting the set to heterosexual males and females. Just needed to add that.

There's actually more men born.

I think there is more men then women willing to date those men. There's lots of men like me and we will ever be in a committed relationship despite wanting one.,

However I see tons of people who never wanted to be tied down in Lon tee, relationships.

I don't think that's true. Honestly.

thats why I joined a lot of meet-up groups on the site itself lately, gotta find a way to get myself out of the house more often