20% of men get 80% of women?

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22 May 2016, 12:31 pm

85% of Americans are or were married to a person of the opposite sex, as per the last census. Mathematically, this precludes 20% men "taking" 80% of the women.



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22 May 2016, 3:12 pm

as of august 2014 [last study by the bureau of labor statistics] 124.6 million over-16 americans were single, 50.2 percent of the population, making married folk a minority for the first time. this is likely to remain the same for the foreseeable future, due to economic trends that are accelerating. and even if this were not the case, it is still possible and indeed probable, that 20% of men are boffing 80% of women, married or not, judging by rates of infidelity in this country.



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22 May 2016, 6:26 pm

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Basically, its a bunch of hooey.


I go with this. And why would a guy want to sleep with someone they're not attracted to? Yuck. I don't get men at all.


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22 May 2016, 6:34 pm

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Guess what? All of the men I have seriously dated have been significantly less attractive than I was/am. And of the men I've casually dated (I'm including as a teenager here, too) only one or two were actually at the same level of attractiveness as I was, and none above.

I do not have high standards for physical attractiveness in the men I date. In fact, I'd be much less likely to want to date a very attractive man. I certainly would not date someone better looking than I am. It would be completely foolish to do so.

I never was interested in men for their money, either.


I'm LMAO because how does one know that someone is less attractive than themselves? Someone who is considered "highly attractive" may just go for the person you think as less attractive. It's all personal opinions. Someone may think they are all that and more when others think they look like a monkeys butt. :mrgreen:


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22 May 2016, 6:35 pm

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Guess what? All of the men I have seriously dated have been significantly less attractive than I was/am. And of the men I've casually dated (I'm including as a teenager here, too) only one or two were actually at the same level of attractiveness as I was, and none above.

I do not have high standards for physical attractiveness in the men I date. In fact, I'd be much less likely to want to date a very attractive man. I certainly would not date someone better looking than I am. It would be completely foolish to do so.

I never was interested in men for their money, either.


All of that makes sense to me. After all, attractiveness is not an important part of a functional long-term relationship, and many very attractive men will be less likely to commit to somebody long-term, and even if they did, they would be more likely to cheat and have affairs.


So all good looking men are cheaters?


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22 May 2016, 6:39 pm

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The casual dating and hookup culture on the other hand, reflects far more the natural tendencies and the instincts of humans, and of the women's natural tendencies in particular; and we can clearly see in the stats of the dating sites that the natural tendency of women screams Alpha male.
It only reflects the NT partner preferences, and not how they need to compromise in order to get into meaningful long-term relationships.
All long-term committed relationships begin with the initial attraction, as well as the early "hot for you" phase, both of which firmly follow the 80/20 rule. No one leapfrogs from "hi, how are you" to "together forever" (which I misguidedly tried to do with my first girlfriend). So there is no real way to bypass the 80/20 rule, except to act in ways that make women think you're an alpha male, even when you're not. A.k.a. PUA.


First, the 80/20 rule only applies to NTs. Second, even NT women will lower their standards in order to get a partner. NT women might very well aspire to get the alpha-male, but few of them will persist with that, unless they are alpha-females themselves. Because online dating sites have many more males than females, the females can afford to be more picky than they would be in real life, which explains part of the pattern seen on OkC. Another factor with online dating is that many people are there only to play-around, and have no serious interest in getting a partner that way, which also causes women to increase their demands.


Second sentence is FALSE.


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22 May 2016, 7:02 pm

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Also some of you have mentioned levels of attractiveness, and even where you stand on the scale...Can someone please link me to this universal scale of attractiveness so I can determine whether me and my boyfriend are attractive or not. I think he's attractive and he thinks I am but according to this attractiveness scale people seem to go by that I can't wrap my head around maybe we're both super ugly.


I'm with you. I need to know how someone knows how attractive they are too. What if I'm a 10 and I'm thinking I'm just a 7 then I'm not shooting high enough!


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22 May 2016, 7:40 pm

Well, I define subjective attractiveness, which is what is determined entirely by the individual; and objective attractiveness, which is what is usually considered biologically attractive by our bodies, and what society and the media push as attractive.

We typically are attracted to people who present signs of health and fertility, to ensure healthy and fertile future off-spring.

So yes, I do believe 'universal attractiveness' does exist, to an extent.

That doesn't mean I agree with the universally attractive traits, and my personal, individual, subjective tastes might be entirely different, but that doesn't ignore the fact my taste might be unpopular.

"What if I'm a 10 and I'm thinking I'm just a 7 then I'm not shooting high enough!"

But what's the third party that determines if you're a 10? Who aside from yourself would be the one telling you you're a 10? Society?

If so, why would you be considered by society to be a 10? Because you'd fit the traits society considers universally attractive...



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22 May 2016, 7:50 pm

They say there are no silly questions ...

In reality the correlation between sex, relationships and marriage are probably lower than most think.

I think that the paradigm is shifting so that people are having sex outside of marriage more than in it. Married people have less sex and less sex with their partner. Unmarried people are choosing to stay single and play the field constantly or else have serial monogamous relationships.

With all this complexity, its hard to say whether the 80 / 20 observation you made is true. It probably is in some circles and is inverted in others.

(sorry more of a ramble than an answer ... but your question is impossible to answer accurately)



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22 May 2016, 7:53 pm

Yes, culture comes into play.

But of course, each culture has different views on what they consider universally attractive. ;)

And, I find many of the time traits that are considered attractive in most cultures, no matter how different, are still based-on what each cultures considers signs of health and fertility.

Yes, in medieval Europe plump and heavier women were considered 'attractive', because during those times food was scarce and people had to work hard for very little to eat.

People were skinny and malnourished, so a plump and chunkier woman indicated she was healthier as she had more likelihood to survive than a slimmer person. She also might have been more likely to not suffer nutritional deficiencies, have lower risk for many diseases and health problems.

Only the rich or generous had enough recourses to get as large as they did.

Just as in some cultures tan skin is considered more attractive now, and that's also associated with healthy Vitamin D levels and tanning is typically a reaction to the suns UV radiation levels by darkening the skin for better protection from sun-rays.



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23 May 2016, 6:39 am

nurseangela wrote:
I'm with you. I need to know how someone knows how attractive they are too. What if I'm a 10 and I'm thinking I'm just a 7 then I'm not shooting high enough!

It's funny how many people on WP.net have this idealist view of people. Sure it's nice to think that everyone is unique like snowflakes, but we all know that's not true. For example, for majority a depressed person is less attractive than a cheerful person. Sure there's someone who would prefer to have a sad partner, but there's a lot less of them.



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23 May 2016, 6:53 am

I'm probably a 6 in attractiveness. I'm not going to only seek people who are 6's in attractiveness.

I've known people who are, say, 4, in attractiveness--and I really liked them.

I've known people who are close to 10 in attractiveness--and I've been totally turned-off by them.



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23 May 2016, 7:09 am

I'm sure there's 1s and 0s who are in great relationships. It's about conventional attraction. It may not matter when you are already in a relationship, but it does affect your chance of finding a relationship.



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23 May 2016, 7:11 am

When I was in my early 20's, I was a 3 or a 4. In fact, I wanted to get plastic surgery, but couldn't afford it.

I'm probably a little bit higher now, since women seem to treat me with more respect, even if they don't like me.

As for 10's, I find them quite threatening and uncomfortable to be around. That goes for both men and women.



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23 May 2016, 7:22 am

Physical looks is but one of many aspects of a person.

I would be turned off totally if a very attractive woman had poor hygiene.

I would be turned on if a "plain" woman had a nice scent.



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23 May 2016, 7:27 am

But for example not a lot of men would be turned on if conventionally unattractive woman had a poor hygiene. Not a lot of people in general find bad hygiene to be attractive.