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I like pie.

Joking aside, I think it can sometimes be neccesary/useful to generalize. Of course it's good to rely on individual cases, but there's also alot of tendencies and generalities that hold true of either gender.

I don't have any real trust issues or resentment(if anything I resent people yet I like to have social interactions), just acknowledging I have noticed a lot of times women can be more skilled at manipulation that men. That said I am not using it as a loaded term...plenty of interactions and situations require some manipulation and since biologically males tend to be physically stronger it would make sense that females have had to rely on it more than males who have been able to rely more on physical strength. Or maybe its just a coincidence.

I don't think any of it is absolute however....so I wouldn't assume just because someones a women they'd be good at manipulating or just because someones a man they'd be physically strong. It would certainly depend on how they present themselves.

I think if women may be more skilled manipulators or may do it more depends on what kind of manipulation you look at. There certainly have been more male people in powerful positions who manipulated the masses (Hitler, Napoleon - like Boo pointed out). Of course that could partly be because a lot of societies make/made it much harder for a woman to get into a powerful position. There are some high paid jobs where everyone negotiates their salary and men tend to get a lot more money than women because many won't settle for less and manage to convince others that they are the best at the job and they can't do without them - making others think you're greater than you actually are and that they need you is a kind of manipulation.
Then there are manipulative tactics that some women can do better or that work better if a woman does them - like playing the victim or pretending you need help or stuff similar to 'if you don't do X you don't love me'. Using sex to get what you want also works better if you are a woman.
And of course, like you pointed out, not all manipulation is malign and there may also be harmless ways of manipulation women tend to use more possibly because some tend to be more indirect or more concerned not to sound rude.


Some people in general do that. It's not really gender specific. It's just that men who do that won't hurt you if you are a straight male whereas women who do so will.
Some people do similar things just to get sex rather than a relationship. Those are more often male but that's due to a supply and demand problem.

just say to a girl "i wanna f**k you, and if you don't want to, off you go"

i know that sounded bad, but it is the case that they have a tiny little spot in them......a small place i want to kind of be affectionate to.

This thread turned into a misogyny/Internalized misogyny toxic cesspool.

It shall be locked.

XFilesGeek incoming in 3...2....1...

I need to delete some of my posts on this site. The delete button fades away before I can.

please moderator delete my 2 posts. they are filthy and smutty and i had had a few drinks and i was not really being serious but deliberately chauvenistic or something.

Delete nothing.
own it.

I only blame myself for being alone. I'm just too awkward and anti-social to be in a successful relationship, let alone have friends.

False. I'm awkward and anti-social and I still get into relationships. You can as well.

The posters here on L&D make me glad I'm a lesbian lmao. Also my experience with dating guys prior to realizing i wasn't actually bi made me realize I'm incompatible with men romantically, sexually, and even platonically.

I'm with you dude.

I'd never date a guy either.

jsut throwing it out there, this DOES vary by culture. you can live some one else and escape that metric for a another less bent.