My struggles in finding a girlfriend

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09 Nov 2017, 1:20 pm

You do sound very down. When I'm down I always make the mistake of focusing inward, like that ever helped. I forget that other people exist other than in relation to me, which makes me insensitive to their feelings, so they then try less with me which makes me focus inward more. It becomes a viscous cycle. :(



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09 Nov 2017, 2:02 pm

fluffysaurus wrote:
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I was overweight even when I had my first and so far only girlfriend. She was overweight as well but not like those disgusting fat acceptance types who can hardly move without their joints popping.


I would not find someone who made comments like this attractive, it sounds cruel and judgmental. If you didn't mean it to be, perhaps you should work on how other people are likely to interpret what you say.

Quite a lot of women call barely fat guys like myself disgusting. The women fat movement has made it so only a few men call fat women disgusting.

I’ve never called fat people digusting. I don’t find super obese ones attractive usually, and I feel bad for some and wonder how they fit through doors :(
People call me obese and digusting. I just have a bellly on my front is all, not flat I guess so I’m digusting. I haven’t any on my sides like others I see have.



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09 Nov 2017, 2:07 pm

sly279 wrote:
fluffysaurus wrote:
Marknis wrote:
I was overweight even when I had my first and so far only girlfriend. She was overweight as well but not like those disgusting fat acceptance types who can hardly move without their joints popping.


I would not find someone who made comments like this attractive, it sounds cruel and judgmental. If you didn't mean it to be, perhaps you should work on how other people are likely to interpret what you say.

Quite a lot of women call barely fat guys like myself disgusting. The women fat movement has made it so only a few men call fat women disgusting.

I’ve never called fat people digusting. I don’t find super obese ones attractive usually, and I feel bad for some and wonder how they fit through doors :(
People call me obese and digusting. I just have a bellly on my front is all, not flat I guess so I’m digusting. I haven’t any on my sides like others I see have.


Another doublestandard: Men with low paid jobs are losers. Women can be unemployed and still not be losers.

I've never heard someone call a women a loser, ever.

Women are insanely cool by default.



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09 Nov 2017, 2:24 pm

Closet Genious wrote:
sly279 wrote:
fluffysaurus wrote:
Marknis wrote:
I was overweight even when I had my first and so far only girlfriend. She was overweight as well but not like those disgusting fat acceptance types who can hardly move without their joints popping.


I would not find someone who made comments like this attractive, it sounds cruel and judgmental. If you didn't mean it to be, perhaps you should work on how other people are likely to interpret what you say.

Quite a lot of women call barely fat guys like myself disgusting. The women fat movement has made it so only a few men call fat women disgusting.

I’ve never called fat people digusting. I don’t find super obese ones attractive usually, and I feel bad for some and wonder how they fit through doors :(
People call me obese and digusting. I just have a bellly on my front is all, not flat I guess so I’m digusting. I haven’t any on my sides like others I see have.


Another doublestandard: Men with low paid jobs are losers. Women can be unemployed and still not be losers.

I've never heard someone call a women a loser, ever.

Women are insanely cool by default.


Why wouldn’t women be losers? Being seen as a “loser” isn’t gender specific.
Being in a low paid job doesn’t automatically make someone a “loser”.



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09 Nov 2017, 2:26 pm

hale_bopp wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
sly279 wrote:
fluffysaurus wrote:
Marknis wrote:
I was overweight even when I had my first and so far only girlfriend. She was overweight as well but not like those disgusting fat acceptance types who can hardly move without their joints popping.


I would not find someone who made comments like this attractive, it sounds cruel and judgmental. If you didn't mean it to be, perhaps you should work on how other people are likely to interpret what you say.

Quite a lot of women call barely fat guys like myself disgusting. The women fat movement has made it so only a few men call fat women disgusting.

I’ve never called fat people digusting. I don’t find super obese ones attractive usually, and I feel bad for some and wonder how they fit through doors :(
People call me obese and digusting. I just have a bellly on my front is all, not flat I guess so I’m digusting. I haven’t any on my sides like others I see have.


Another doublestandard: Men with low paid jobs are losers. Women can be unemployed and still not be losers.

I've never heard someone call a women a loser, ever.

Women are insanely cool by default.


Why wouldn’t women be losers? Being seen as a “loser” isn’t gender specific.
Being in a low paid job doesn’t automatically make someone a “loser”.


I'm not sure we live in the same universe. Loser is gender specific.

Have you ever heard someone call a woman a loser?



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09 Nov 2017, 2:32 pm

hale_bopp wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
sly279 wrote:
fluffysaurus wrote:
Marknis wrote:
I was overweight even when I had my first and so far only girlfriend. She was overweight as well but not like those disgusting fat acceptance types who can hardly move without their joints popping.


I would not find someone who made comments like this attractive, it sounds cruel and judgmental. If you didn't mean it to be, perhaps you should work on how other people are likely to interpret what you say.

Quite a lot of women call barely fat guys like myself disgusting. The women fat movement has made it so only a few men call fat women disgusting.

I’ve never called fat people digusting. I don’t find super obese ones attractive usually, and I feel bad for some and wonder how they fit through doors :(
People call me obese and digusting. I just have a bellly on my front is all, not flat I guess so I’m digusting. I haven’t any on my sides like others I see have.


Another doublestandard: Men with low paid jobs are losers. Women can be unemployed and still not be losers.

I've never heard someone call a women a loser, ever.

Women are insanely cool by default.


Why wouldn’t women be losers? Being seen as a “loser” isn’t gender specific.
Being in a low paid job doesn’t automatically make someone a “loser”.

It does in the U S OF A it would seem us society is quite different then New Zealand society.

Thoughnyeah women do seem to be exempt, simply because it’s a hold over form the past when women didn’t work and men were the sole provider. So a man working min wage is a loser and a woman working min wage is achieving something cause default for women is not working and she’s working. Again outadated hold over that the us society still actively uses to judge men. Honestly when it comes to dating it’s like it’s stil 1940 for men. Feminism hasn’t bothered to change that mindset as it benefits women.

I likewise have never heard or seen women called loser in person or media.
Sluts, whore yes, and men get called studs. Men don’t get called sluts or whores.
So suppose it’s a similar double standard.
I’ve never called a woman with outside of dirty talk by the way and I wouldn’t. I also might ruin dirty talk with disclaimers :/ just want to make sure they understand I don’t disrespect them.



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09 Nov 2017, 2:35 pm

Closet Genious wrote:
sly279 wrote:
fluffysaurus wrote:
Marknis wrote:
I was overweight even when I had my first and so far only girlfriend. She was overweight as well but not like those disgusting fat acceptance types who can hardly move without their joints popping.


I would not find someone who made comments like this attractive, it sounds cruel and judgmental. If you didn't mean it to be, perhaps you should work on how other people are likely to interpret what you say.

Quite a lot of women call barely fat guys like myself disgusting. The women fat movement has made it so only a few men call fat women disgusting.

I’ve never called fat people digusting. I don’t find super obese ones attractive usually, and I feel bad for some and wonder how they fit through doors :(
People call me obese and digusting. I just have a bellly on my front is all, not flat I guess so I’m digusting. I haven’t any on my sides like others I see have.


Another doublestandard: Men with low paid jobs are losers. Women can be unemployed and still not be losers.

I've never heard someone call a women a loser, ever.

Women are insanely cool by default.


Not cool, worth more yes.
Judged by 1940 standards women of today are all over achieving. But men judged by the same standards are losers for not having good jobs. It’s a outdated holdover from the past. Big part of why men kill themselves more I suspect.
I get called a loser more by women then men.



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09 Nov 2017, 2:55 pm

Closet Genious wrote:
hale_bopp wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
sly279 wrote:
fluffysaurus wrote:
Marknis wrote:
I was overweight even when I had my first and so far only girlfriend. She was overweight as well but not like those disgusting fat acceptance types who can hardly move without their joints popping.


I would not find someone who made comments like this attractive, it sounds cruel and judgmental. If you didn't mean it to be, perhaps you should work on how other people are likely to interpret what you say.

Quite a lot of women call barely fat guys like myself disgusting. The women fat movement has made it so only a few men call fat women disgusting.

I’ve never called fat people digusting. I don’t find super obese ones attractive usually, and I feel bad for some and wonder how they fit through doors :(
People call me obese and digusting. I just have a bellly on my front is all, not flat I guess so I’m digusting. I haven’t any on my sides like others I see have.


Another doublestandard: Men with low paid jobs are losers. Women can be unemployed and still not be losers.

I've never heard someone call a women a loser, ever.

Women are insanely cool by default.


Why wouldn’t women be losers? Being seen as a “loser” isn’t gender specific.
Being in a low paid job doesn’t automatically make someone a “loser”.


I'm not sure we live in the same universe. Loser is gender specific.

Have you ever heard someone call a woman a loser?


Um, yes. Do you even talk to women? People call women losers all the damn time.

I don’t see anyone complaining that women get called sluts and men don’t, but I guess it’s only a double standard if it applies to men.

Seriously, you’ve got some pretty screwed up ideas.



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09 Nov 2017, 2:59 pm

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Have you ever heard someone call a woman a loser?


I've seen you on a thread specifically saying, "fat women are losers".



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09 Nov 2017, 3:12 pm

Do you people even realise that men and women aren’t the same, on average, men and women are drawn to different traits about people. If genders were meant to be exactly the same, why don’t people split via mitosis?

Girls tend to like (on average)
Ambition
Social skills
Confidence
Intelligence
looks

Guys tend to like (on average)
Looks
Looks
House keeping or child raising ability
Sex drive
Looks
Mannerisms - being “feminine”.

You don’t see any women here moaning about what guys tend to go for when they don’t have it.

Maybe you should give it a rest about moaning about what women tend to go for if you don’t have it.

Some people are more fortunate than others. But on average, most people of each gender end up finding someone eventually. The population is increasing, it wouldn’t be if noone ever wanted anyone else execpt “hot guys” - a minority.



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09 Nov 2017, 3:26 pm

hale_bopp wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
hale_bopp wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
sly279 wrote:
fluffysaurus wrote:
Marknis wrote:
I was overweight even when I had my first and so far only girlfriend. She was overweight as well but not like those disgusting fat acceptance types who can hardly move without their joints popping.


I would not find someone who made comments like this attractive, it sounds cruel and judgmental. If you didn't mean it to be, perhaps you should work on how other people are likely to interpret what you say.

Quite a lot of women call barely fat guys like myself disgusting. The women fat movement has made it so only a few men call fat women disgusting.

I’ve never called fat people digusting. I don’t find super obese ones attractive usually, and I feel bad for some and wonder how they fit through doors :(
People call me obese and digusting. I just have a bellly on my front is all, not flat I guess so I’m digusting. I haven’t any on my sides like others I see have.


Another doublestandard: Men with low paid jobs are losers. Women can be unemployed and still not be losers.

I've never heard someone call a women a loser, ever.

Women are insanely cool by default.


Why wouldn’t women be losers? Being seen as a “loser” isn’t gender specific.
Being in a low paid job doesn’t automatically make someone a “loser”.


I'm not sure we live in the same universe. Loser is gender specific.

Have you ever heard someone call a woman a loser?


Um, yes. Do you even talk to women? People call women losers all the damn time.

I don’t see anyone complaining that women get called sluts and men don’t, but I guess it’s only a double standard if it applies to men.

Seriously, you’ve got some pretty screwed up ideas.


I just did.
People shouldn’t call women sluts unless for dirty talk.



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09 Nov 2017, 4:44 pm

sly279 wrote:
hale_bopp wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
sly279 wrote:
fluffysaurus wrote:
Marknis wrote:
I was overweight even when I had my first and so far only girlfriend. She was overweight as well but not like those disgusting fat acceptance types who can hardly move without their joints popping.


I would not find someone who made comments like this attractive, it sounds cruel and judgmental. If you didn't mean it to be, perhaps you should work on how other people are likely to interpret what you say.

Quite a lot of women call barely fat guys like myself disgusting. The women fat movement has made it so only a few men call fat women disgusting.

I’ve never called fat people digusting. I don’t find super obese ones attractive usually, and I feel bad for some and wonder how they fit through doors :(
People call me obese and digusting. I just have a bellly on my front is all, not flat I guess so I’m digusting. I haven’t any on my sides like others I see have.


Another doublestandard: Men with low paid jobs are losers. Women can be unemployed and still not be losers.

I've never heard someone call a women a loser, ever.

Women are insanely cool by default.


Why wouldn’t women be losers? Being seen as a “loser” isn’t gender specific.
Being in a low paid job doesn’t automatically make someone a “loser”.

It does in the U S OF A it would seem us society is quite different then New Zealand society.

Thoughnyeah women do seem to be exempt, simply because it’s a hold over form the past when women didn’t work and men were the sole provider. So a man working min wage is a loser and a woman working min wage is achieving something cause default for women is not working and she’s working. Again outadated hold over that the us society still actively uses to judge men. Honestly when it comes to dating it’s like it’s stil 1940 for men. Feminism hasn’t bothered to change that mindset as it benefits women.

I likewise have never heard or seen women called loser in person or media.
Sluts, whore yes, and men get called studs. Men don’t get called sluts or whores.
So suppose it’s a similar double standard.
I’ve never called a woman with outside of dirty talk by the way and I wouldn’t. I also might ruin dirty talk with disclaimers :/ just want to make sure they understand I don’t disrespect them.

It's called the Women are Wonderful effect.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%22Wome ... %22_effect

I'm not saying no woman has ever been called a loser. It chiefly applies to women aged under 35. Yes, I agree this is age discrimination.

I've seen it on Facebook, men fawning over women without actually asking them. They act like they're the most beautiful and intelligent and angelic beings in existence.

In reality these youngish women have average looks and average intelligence. They could be fat or thin. They could be employed or unemployed. They could even be married or single and it still won't stop men fawning over them and telling them they're wonderful.

I think fawning over a married woman is quite disgusting. Also rather futile. The Women are Wonderful effect is largely a male phenomenon, in that it's caused by males.

A few women let it go to their head but not many. More frequently young women have the opposite problem, low self-esteem.

I've seen it at work but only in cases where are just one or two young women. If there's a lot of women men don't care as much. These men act like women are a commodity who's value increases with scarcity. I find it appalling that while these men claim to be feminists, they treat women like a commodity.

There's something sickening about seeing a fawning flock of men tell a young women they're male feminists just so they can look good in her eyes.


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09 Nov 2017, 4:48 pm

Marknis wrote:
fluffysaurus wrote:
Marknis wrote:
fluffysaurus wrote:
Marknis wrote:
I was overweight even when I had my first and so far only girlfriend. She was overweight as well but not like those disgusting fat acceptance types who can hardly move without their joints popping.


I would not find someone who made comments like this attractive, it sounds cruel and judgmental. If you didn't mean it to be, perhaps you should work on how other people are likely to interpret what you say.


I actually find chubby girls attractive and my first girlfriend was chubby. There's a difference between chubby and morbidly obese.


I wasn't commenting on your taste, your entitled to find whoever you like attractive. I was referring to your use of the word disgusting :( A person isn't disgusting just because of the way they look.


I've been under a lot of stress lately so my vocabulary hasn't been the most friendly.


Don't let her guilt you Markniss! Chubby women can be cute but there's nothing cute about watching a 400 pound woman who can barely walk slowly killing herself.

You're already under a lot of stress so you don't need the additional stress of policing your language.

They say you can't please everyone. If you avoid using a word that one person finds offensive you'll invariably use a word that someone else finds offensive. You can't please them all.


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09 Nov 2017, 5:02 pm

RetroGamer87, it’s very hard to determine how women get treated unless you are one.

I can safely say, compared to the verbal, physical, psychological and sexual treatment I’ve had from men, the “women are wonderful effect” has been about 2-5% of treatment from men towards me. You may see guys do it to women on the internet, but that’s a very very small part of their lives most likely, unless they’re extremely lucky.

You guys have to remember you are a minority, most men don’t have your problems. You are not an accurate sample size for all or most men, nor me for women, but I’ve had a lot of social interaction with a lot of people in my life by being high functioning, probably a lot more than guys here who say they have one or no friends, and mainly interact online. I have a decentish idea about what you’re talking about.



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09 Nov 2017, 5:05 pm

MarissaKay wrote:
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Have you ever heard someone call a woman a loser?


I've seen you on a thread specifically saying, "fat women are losers".


That was in response to unemployed men being called losers.

Besides that, I don't believe I've ever called a woman, nor heard others call a woman a loser.



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09 Nov 2017, 5:21 pm

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RetroGamer87, it’s very hard to determine how women get treated unless you are one.

Your logic is irrefutable.


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