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26 Dec 2018, 8:24 pm

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The six sixes don't include any mention of facial features either, so they could be as ugly as a hatful of a-holes.

The article appears to be made for upper-class women who wish to die alone. Anyone who's payed attention to the average couple knows that the six sixes does not apply to most.

Middle class and upper middle class women. As well as lot of poor women have this issue of wanting a “quality” man but there’s not enough college educated, well paid men to go around

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26 Dec 2018, 8:29 pm

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You actually got good intelligence...and you’re high-functioning.

The majority of women don't care at all about a man's intelligence. Height, fitness, money, and charisma are the only things that matter.

They do care about intelligence, but if there's no physical attraction or you don't share the same values, you could be Einstein and still be overlooked. Intelligence matters, but it often doesn't compensate for other shortcomings.

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26 Dec 2018, 8:30 pm

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Also, take a look around at the men who are married, mowing their lawns and shovelling their snow. I don't see many of that article's description (if any) in my family-oriented neighbourhood. If you believe the article you'd believe all married men looked or achieved like that. Most of the married guys I know are entirely average, but very good men at heart.

Okay. So these men in your "family oriented neighborhood" may not possess the six sixes. But they all have at least one thing going for them: financial security.

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26 Dec 2018, 8:37 pm

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Okay. So these men in your "family oriented neighborhood" may not possess the six sixes. But they all have at least one thing going for them: financial security.

How is it unreasonable to expect financial stability in a partner though? Especially if you're a woman who hopes to be a stay-at-home mother.

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26 Dec 2018, 8:39 pm

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Okay. So these men in your "family oriented neighborhood" may not possess the six sixes. But they all have at least one thing going for them: financial security.

Why would you infer that? As my brother always says "it's not how much you earn, it's how much you owe". Some people who earn higher salaries get themselves further into debt, because of their ability to borrow money with ease. Some of the families in my area overspend, some are frugal yet continue struggling. Many families have both partners working full time and they spend nearly their entire salaries on day care. Some have addictions to gambling or drugs which also jeopardise their security. It's easy to idealise but we can't know the truth until we walk in people's shoes.

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26 Dec 2018, 9:24 pm

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Okay. So these men in your "family oriented neighborhood" may not possess the six sixes. But they all have at least one thing going for them: financial security.

At the very least, the very fact that these people live in a neighborhood proves that they weere able to afford to own a home. Something I cannot and likely never will.

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26 Dec 2018, 9:28 pm

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The Six Sixes:
Six-pack abs. ❌
Six feet tall. (Nice, but doesn't matter)
Six inches below the belt. (Likewise)
Six-figure salary. ❌
Six hundred horsepower car. ❌
Six months out of a relationship. ❌

Notice how intelligence is nowhere to be found in this list.

Where do you find this nonsense? ^

"Well, women have their scale too, and it’s called the Six Sixes. But unlike men's method, which judges women based solely on their appearance, the Six Sixes evaluates men on their bodies, their income and their ability to…perform.

"In other words, women have come up with a system of our own, created to weed out the average Joes from the Brad Pitts. Shallow? Perhaps, but don’t think she’s not judging you. Unless she’s a gold digger and solely out for the cash, most gorgeous, independent women are going for the gold: the crème de la crème of men. Put plainly, we're looking to score as many sixes as we can. The more sixes a girl can score, the better. A ten-incher or a seven-figure salary can make up for a lack in the other departments, but if you’re majorly missing one of the below, you might want to start working on filling in the gaps. Read on for a breakdown of the Six Sixes."

https://www.askmen.com/dating/curtsmith ... sixes.html

So you got it from a site called "askmen.com", which tells me you let a bunch of guys tell you what they think women want instead of talking to real women and asking them what they want. You are in a thread in which women are participating who you could ask about their wants, and instead you choose to tell us that you know what we want better than we do, because we're women and you're a man.

Do you see any possible connection with this sort of behaviour and your difficulty attracting women for romantic relationships?

From what I've seen from incels online, their biggest challenge seems to be their lack of self-awareness and the lack of ability to reflect on how their behaviour effects how others perceive them.

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26 Dec 2018, 9:33 pm

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Okay. So these men in your "family oriented neighborhood" may not possess the six sixes. But they all have at least one thing going for them: financial security.

At the very least, the very fact that these people live in a neighborhood proves that they weere able to afford to own a home. Something I cannot and likely never will.

Fair enough. You're right, in that these are single family homes and most have a fair amount of acreage. Most are mortgaged though, with homeowners borrowing beyond their means or inheriting title from their families. The people I've spoken to amass ridiculous amounts of debt and have difficulty meeting their demands. Regardless, they work long hours and aren't even home to enjoy the things they buy. Some people have their priorities far out of line with their means, as Fnord has stated.

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26 Dec 2018, 9:37 pm

Goodness yes.

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From what I've seen from incels online, their biggest challenge seems to be their lack of self-awareness and the lack of ability to reflect on how their behaviour effects how others perceive them.

Even if you had a ton of money and rather handsome, if you're a bitter, miserable emotional vampire type or a stuck up snotty know-it-all, no woman is going to want that.

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26 Dec 2018, 9:39 pm

I work full time on an engineering software team & usually save more than 90% of my income. I can't afford housing in or near my city AT ALL. I think bias against young people is reflected in our paychecks, giving us much less time to sort out our love lives.

It's not enough to fix the gender wage gap, not at all. We need to fix the ageism too. I'm deathly sick & tired of hearing baby boomers rationalize why I can't own a house.

Are all geeks seen as stuck up snotty know it all$? That's sure how it feels to me.

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26 Dec 2018, 9:45 pm

It depends how they treat other people cberg. I work with a lot of very pleasant scientists. So not all clever people are not nice. That's not what I meant.

It's condescending people who think they are better than others who are know-it-alls. Those who treat others as beneath them can actually be very dumb.

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26 Dec 2018, 10:02 pm

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I agree with Hurtloam. I worked with many academics and although they weren't necessarily scientists they were often stereotypical nerds. They were some of the nicest people I've ever met. I don't consider it ageism that employees with less experience earn less than those with tenure or demonstrated achievement, but I do agree that the economy is out of line for young people in general. All expenses seem to based on an assumption of double income, which isn't fair.

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26 Dec 2018, 10:38 pm

Well I've been working as much as I can since before I was 18, now I'm 25 & never once have I been paid enough to even afford rent. Experience is part of that gross rationalization & paying less experienced people less does nothing at all in terms of economic stimulus. Quality of work also suffers as a result. Do you seriously want to drive a car made by people being paid the absolute least the automaker can get away with? My experience is beyond any computer science graduate by a long shot (I'm autodidactic) & those newbies can really rake it in. Unless we nix the wage gap for everyone who's not a senior, our economy is doomed.

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26 Dec 2018, 10:55 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:

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Okay. So these men in your "family oriented neighborhood" may not possess the six sixes. But they all have at least one thing going for them: financial security.

Al stuff someone like me can’t do.
No one will Loan me any money. Everyone except the rich go into debt to get houses, cars etc. which is what most women expect and want sadly.

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26 Dec 2018, 10:58 pm

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Goodness yes.

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From what I've seen from incels online, their biggest challenge seems to be their lack of self-awareness and the lack of ability to reflect on how their behaviour effects how others perceive them.

Even if you had a ton of money and rather handsome, if you're a bitter, miserable emotional vampire type or a stuck up snotty know-it-all, no woman is going to want that.

From the way quite a few women complain about their current or ex boyfriends it seems quite a few do want it.

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26 Dec 2018, 10:59 pm

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I always get treated that way.
As if I’m subhuman
While the laws of the early 1900s went away the attitude didn’t. They may not call us eaters anymore but the way they view us is the same.

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