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27 Dec 2018, 3:42 am

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Case in point, the fake president.


Obama, i dont know his finically situation but h gets 500,000 a year which make him quite rich.



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27 Dec 2018, 3:53 am

Baby boomers are spoilt rotten over here. There's too many of them for the guv to do anything about them though.

When I'm old there won't be pensions any more just soup kitchens and when the millennials get old there'll be

nothing left.

I've missed out on a couple of jobs because of being entitled to the higher min wage (over 25). I think the lower

amount should be a temporary thing, once you are doing the job as well as someone with experience you should

get the same pay. If you get less, it damages morale and causes resentment.



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27 Dec 2018, 4:03 am

From the looks of things, when I get old everyone will let me die while I'm trying to program something.


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27 Dec 2018, 4:15 am

People moan about the poor being benefit scroungers, and in many cases maybe they are; but what about the bankers (all on seven figure salaries) the US and EU governments are so obsessed with "bailing out"? Given that much of it is never paid back, does this not amount to a welfare state for the super rich? Chomsky calls it "Capitalism for the poor and Marxism for the rich". I think he's dead right.



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27 Dec 2018, 4:17 am

cberg wrote:
From the looks of things, when I get old everyone will let me die while I'm trying to program something.

Atleast you’ll have something to offer,
What do you think will happen to me a worthless subhuman min wage retail employee?
AI is quickilu replacing the need for employees like me.



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27 Dec 2018, 4:21 am

cberg wrote:
From the looks of things, when I get old everyone will let me die while I'm trying to program something.
Think of something you can program in to leave as a little memento :twisted:



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27 Dec 2018, 4:27 am

sly279 wrote:
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From the looks of things, when I get old everyone will let me die while I'm trying to program something.

Atleast you’ll have something to offer,
What do you think will happen to me a worthless subhuman min wage retail employee?
AI is quickilu replacing the need for employees like me.

Us min wage retail employees are the only people a lot of people (mostly old) get to talk to on a regular basses.

Your prob Sly is you don't have nice customers; people buying expensive crap are not nice. Cheep shops have

much nicer customers who will appreciate you instead of looking down on you.



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27 Dec 2018, 4:50 am

Really I just need to get used to being celibate. Having a combination of depression, social anxiety, and high-functioning autism is a death-sentence for romance.



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27 Dec 2018, 4:55 am

IsabellaLinton wrote:
sly279 wrote:
IsabellaLinton wrote:
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Also, take a look around at the men who are married, mowing their lawns and shovelling their snow. I don't see many of that article's description (if any) in my family-oriented neighbourhood. If you believe the article you'd believe all married men looked or achieved like that. Most of the married guys I know are entirely average, but very good men at heart.


Okay. So these men in your "family oriented neighborhood" may not possess the six sixes. But they all have at least one thing going for them: financial security.


Why would you infer that? As my brother always says "it's not how much you earn, it's how much you owe". Some people who earn higher salaries get themselves further into debt, because of their ability to borrow money with ease. Some of the families in my area overspend, some are frugal yet continue struggling. Many families have both partners working full time and they spend nearly their entire salaries on day care. Some have addictions to gambling or drugs which also jeopardise their security. It's easy to idealise but we can't know the truth until we walk in people's shoes.



Al stuff someone like me can’t do.
No one will Loan me any money. Everyone except the rich go into debt to get houses, cars etc. which is what most women expect and want sadly.


The rich often go further into debt than the "non-rich", because they feel entitled to having the best of everything. Then, their marriages implode and they get a cold, hard wake-up call about divorce costs, child support, alimony and debt repayment which often includes bankruptcy. I prefer people who live within their means and who are humble, rather than acquisition obsessed.


Ok now that's just conjecture. Do you really know rich people in debt? I know rich people and they are really careful with their money. That's why they have money.



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27 Dec 2018, 5:12 am

hurtloam wrote:
IsabellaLinton wrote:
sly279 wrote:
IsabellaLinton wrote:
magnetowasright wrote:
IsabellaLinton wrote:
Also, take a look around at the men who are married, mowing their lawns and shovelling their snow. I don't see many of that article's description (if any) in my family-oriented neighbourhood. If you believe the article you'd believe all married men looked or achieved like that. Most of the married guys I know are entirely average, but very good men at heart.


Okay. So these men in your "family oriented neighborhood" may not possess the six sixes. But they all have at least one thing going for them: financial security.


Why would you infer that? As my brother always says "it's not how much you earn, it's how much you owe". Some people who earn higher salaries get themselves further into debt, because of their ability to borrow money with ease. Some of the families in my area overspend, some are frugal yet continue struggling. Many families have both partners working full time and they spend nearly their entire salaries on day care. Some have addictions to gambling or drugs which also jeopardise their security. It's easy to idealise but we can't know the truth until we walk in people's shoes.



Al stuff someone like me can’t do.
No one will Loan me any money. Everyone except the rich go into debt to get houses, cars etc. which is what most women expect and want sadly.


The rich often go further into debt than the "non-rich", because they feel entitled to having the best of everything. Then, their marriages implode and they get a cold, hard wake-up call about divorce costs, child support, alimony and debt repayment which often includes bankruptcy. I prefer people who live within their means and who are humble, rather than acquisition obsessed.


Ok now that's just conjecture. Do you really know rich people in debt? I know rich people and they are really careful with their money. That's why they have money.


It's a general rule that those who are born into money are frivolous with it, while those who worked from poverty to obtain it are more careful. My grandfather was a cobbler for most of his adult life, yet even after having made a fortune on the stock market in the 1970s, he still shops at Wilkinson, wears baseball caps and won't spend more than £5 on a bottle of wine.



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27 Dec 2018, 5:15 am

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Fnord is welcome to share his opinion and experience, as we all are.
The fact a woman wrote that article doesn't change my opinion at all. It's rhetoric designed to promote commercialism.

It's very sad that women would promote this propaganda to younger women who might buy into the BS.

I've never even heard of a six hundred horsepower car and I don't know any women who talk about height, abs or package size. Size doesn't equal performance. Likewise, income isn't as important as a person's spending habits. I'd rather be with a modest spender with lower income than a rich person with a drug habit or gambling addiction who wants a six hundred horsepower car or a gym membership (gag me now).



Saying stuff such as “no one is underpaid but only people living beyond their means” is an oral excrement, it is not wisdom and it not even true for countless of young men.
Opinions are welcome, and so my opinion on a such opinion.

They don’t know our stories and how really underpaid we are.

Ok I will tell my story to prove how really underpaid I am and i know exactly by how much: the CFO has whistleblown me the allocated budget (from investors) number for my salary, all of the millennial employees are being underpaid.
The only ones who are not being so are the seniors, who do more talk than work.
To be exact, my salary should be $5000 monthly for my position, I was being paid half of that. He told me I should ask for more without telling what he revealed to me, I did and and it was a dire negotiation, the CEO went telling me how valuable I am and such poetry and how i saved the company from bankruptcy (another long story) ...bla bla, but at the end he only accepted to raise it by $300, plus an overtime formula which I know still out of my allocated budgeted sum.

The CFO is a senior guy himself but he’s a Christian pious man who hates wrongdoings, and always gets in conflict with the CEO, the latter wants to get rid of him but he just holds too much power to be kicked (he oversees 3 of his companies).

So yeah, I am being underpaid by 56%, to put bluntly, I am being stolen 56% of my pay everyday. I am sure I am not the only case in the world.

But owners know that more than 70% of population gets paid less than 800 monthly and of the high unemployment rate, so they fully exploit us.


I completely agree with cberg's point about millennials' being underpaid, but I don't think anyone can complain about ONLY being paid $2500 dollars a month - that's damned good money by any standard, even in the US or UK, but especially in the Middle East.


Not if you're 37 years old; I've been working way below that most of the last decade.



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27 Dec 2018, 6:43 am

karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
magnetowasright wrote:
IsabellaLinton wrote:
magnetowasright wrote:
The Six Sixes:
Six-pack abs. ❌
Six feet tall. (Nice, but doesn't matter)
Six inches below the belt. (Likewise)
Six-figure salary. ❌
Six hundred horsepower car. ❌
Six months out of a relationship. ❌

Notice how intelligence is nowhere to be found in this list.


Where do you find this nonsense? ^


"Well, women have their scale too, and it’s called the Six Sixes. But unlike men's method, which judges women based solely on their appearance, the Six Sixes evaluates men on their bodies, their income and their ability to…perform.

"In other words, women have come up with a system of our own, created to weed out the average Joes from the Brad Pitts. Shallow? Perhaps, but don’t think she’s not judging you. Unless she’s a gold digger and solely out for the cash, most gorgeous, independent women are going for the gold: the crème de la crème of men. Put plainly, we're looking to score as many sixes as we can. The more sixes a girl can score, the better. A ten-incher or a seven-figure salary can make up for a lack in the other departments, but if you’re majorly missing one of the below, you might want to start working on filling in the gaps. Read on for a breakdown of the Six Sixes."

https://www.askmen.com/dating/curtsmith ... sixes.html


So you got it from a site called "askmen.com", which tells me you let a bunch of guys tell you what they think women want instead of talking to real women and asking them what they want. You are in a thread in which women are participating who you could ask about their wants, and instead you choose to tell us that you know what we want better than we do, because we're women and you're a man.

Do you see any possible connection with this sort of behaviour and your difficulty attracting women for romantic relationships?

From what I've seen from incels online, their biggest challenge seems to be their lack of self-awareness and the lack of ability to reflect on how their behaviour effects how others perceive them.


The website is Askmen, but the article itselfis written by a woman.



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27 Dec 2018, 7:41 am

Prometheus18 wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
IsabellaLinton wrote:
sly279 wrote:
IsabellaLinton wrote:
magnetowasright wrote:
IsabellaLinton wrote:
Also, take a look around at the men who are married, mowing their lawns and shovelling their snow. I don't see many of that article's description (if any) in my family-oriented neighbourhood. If you believe the article you'd believe all married men looked or achieved like that. Most of the married guys I know are entirely average, but very good men at heart.


Okay. So these men in your "family oriented neighborhood" may not possess the six sixes. But they all have at least one thing going for them: financial security.


Why would you infer that? As my brother always says "it's not how much you earn, it's how much you owe". Some people who earn higher salaries get themselves further into debt, because of their ability to borrow money with ease. Some of the families in my area overspend, some are frugal yet continue struggling. Many families have both partners working full time and they spend nearly their entire salaries on day care. Some have addictions to gambling or drugs which also jeopardise their security. It's easy to idealise but we can't know the truth until we walk in people's shoes.



Al stuff someone like me can’t do.
No one will Loan me any money. Everyone except the rich go into debt to get houses, cars etc. which is what most women expect and want sadly.


The rich often go further into debt than the "non-rich", because they feel entitled to having the best of everything. Then, their marriages implode and they get a cold, hard wake-up call about divorce costs, child support, alimony and debt repayment which often includes bankruptcy. I prefer people who live within their means and who are humble, rather than acquisition obsessed.


Ok now that's just conjecture. Do you really know rich people in debt? I know rich people and they are really careful with their money. That's why they have money.


It's a general rule that those who are born into money are frivolous with it, while those who worked from poverty to obtain it are more careful. My grandfather was a cobbler for most of his adult life, yet even after having made a fortune on the stock market in the 1970s, he still shops at Wilkinson, wears baseball caps and won't spend more than £5 on a bottle of wine.


My grandfather was born into money and was very stingy with his money. My Dad grew up in a mansion and went to a private school. Also very careful with money as are his siblings.
You're making assumptions about what you don't know. Inverted snobbery.



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27 Dec 2018, 7:48 am

hurtloam wrote:
Prometheus18 wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
IsabellaLinton wrote:
sly279 wrote:
IsabellaLinton wrote:
magnetowasright wrote:
IsabellaLinton wrote:
Also, take a look around at the men who are married, mowing their lawns and shovelling their snow. I don't see many of that article's description (if any) in my family-oriented neighbourhood. If you believe the article you'd believe all married men looked or achieved like that. Most of the married guys I know are entirely average, but very good men at heart.


Okay. So these men in your "family oriented neighborhood" may not possess the six sixes. But they all have at least one thing going for them: financial security.


Why would you infer that? As my brother always says "it's not how much you earn, it's how much you owe". Some people who earn higher salaries get themselves further into debt, because of their ability to borrow money with ease. Some of the families in my area overspend, some are frugal yet continue struggling. Many families have both partners working full time and they spend nearly their entire salaries on day care. Some have addictions to gambling or drugs which also jeopardise their security. It's easy to idealise but we can't know the truth until we walk in people's shoes.



Al stuff someone like me can’t do.
No one will Loan me any money. Everyone except the rich go into debt to get houses, cars etc. which is what most women expect and want sadly.


The rich often go further into debt than the "non-rich", because they feel entitled to having the best of everything. Then, their marriages implode and they get a cold, hard wake-up call about divorce costs, child support, alimony and debt repayment which often includes bankruptcy. I prefer people who live within their means and who are humble, rather than acquisition obsessed.


Ok now that's just conjecture. Do you really know rich people in debt? I know rich people and they are really careful with their money. That's why they have money.


It's a general rule that those who are born into money are frivolous with it, while those who worked from poverty to obtain it are more careful. My grandfather was a cobbler for most of his adult life, yet even after having made a fortune on the stock market in the 1970s, he still shops at Wilkinson, wears baseball caps and won't spend more than £5 on a bottle of wine.


My grandfather was born into money and was very stingy with his money. My Dad grew up in a mansion and went to a private school. Also very careful with money as are his siblings.
You're making assumptions about what you don't know. Inverted snobbery.


Did you just call me a snob?


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27 Dec 2018, 8:04 am

Inverted snobbery is a thing.



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27 Dec 2018, 8:09 am

Nobody called anybody a snob. People are just making generalizations

This is why I like reading anecdotes, rather than studies. Anecdotes come closer to the Truth.