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27 Dec 2018, 9:21 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
I just feel people should stop listening to all the crap that’s on the Internet, and really go out there and be amongst real people.


I would if I could find real women, but they seem to be stuck in their established social circles.



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27 Dec 2018, 9:25 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
I just feel people should stop listening to all the crap that’s on the Internet, and really go out there and be amongst real people.
Who listens to the Internet?



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27 Dec 2018, 9:28 am

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Then don't tell them generalisations.

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The rich often go further into debt than the "non-rich", because they feel entitled to having the best of everything. Then, their marriages implode and they get a cold, hard wake-up call about divorce costs, child support, alimony and debt repayment which often includes bankruptcy.



Generalization is usually based on something common, but what she is saying is not even common or based on any stats.

Losing money due to divorce can happen to any class.


But only to one sex.



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27 Dec 2018, 9:31 am

magnetowasright wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
Then don't tell them generalisations.

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The rich often go further into debt than the "non-rich", because they feel entitled to having the best of everything. Then, their marriages implode and they get a cold, hard wake-up call about divorce costs, child support, alimony and debt repayment which often includes bankruptcy.



Generalization is usually based on something common, but what she is saying is not even common or based on any stats.

Losing money due to divorce can happen to any class.


But only to one sex.

Most often but it's not a rule. If you married and divorced a rich woman for instance, you probably wouldn't be the one losing out



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27 Dec 2018, 9:32 am

I say "listen" because that's what they do, in essence (not literally!)

It's like the Internet is "talking" to them.



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27 Dec 2018, 9:34 am

magnetowasright wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
Then don't tell them generalisations.

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The rich often go further into debt than the "non-rich", because they feel entitled to having the best of everything. Then, their marriages implode and they get a cold, hard wake-up call about divorce costs, child support, alimony and debt repayment which often includes bankruptcy.



Generalization is usually based on something common, but what she is saying is not even common or based on any stats.

Losing money due to divorce can happen to any class.


But only to one sex.


Which sex is that? I've seen both partners devastated by divorce, rich and poor alike, men and women alike.


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27 Dec 2018, 9:37 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
I feel like people read things. Macroeconomic things...then assume they are like Gospel.

From what I read, I should have been an Incel virgin who never can get a job.


If you were my age or younger you would be.

You're not taking into account that both society and the job economy were very different for your generation than they are now.



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27 Dec 2018, 9:38 am

It devastates everybody: men, women, children. Perhaps, especially children.

I was the product of divorce----and so are many people here. And many people in society. I was fortunate that my parents' divorce didn't affect me too much. My father still came to visit me once a week.

It wasn't taken seriously enough back in the 70s-80s. It was felt, then, that divorce was inevitable.

People take it much more seriously these days.



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27 Dec 2018, 9:48 am

The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
magnetowasright wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
Then don't tell them generalisations.

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The rich often go further into debt than the "non-rich", because they feel entitled to having the best of everything. Then, their marriages implode and they get a cold, hard wake-up call about divorce costs, child support, alimony and debt repayment which often includes bankruptcy.



Generalization is usually based on something common, but what she is saying is not even common or based on any stats.

Losing money due to divorce can happen to any class.


But only to one sex.

Most often but it's not a rule. If you married and divorced a rich woman for instance, you probably wouldn't be the one losing out


And when has a rich woman ever married a poor man? Women are naturally hypergamous. It would never happen.

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Which sex is that? I've seen both partners devastated by divorce, rich and poor alike, men and women alike.


In general. But when talking strictly about financial loss, the man is always the loser and the woman is always the winner.



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27 Dec 2018, 9:52 am

Ironically, if I would get a divorce, I would probably come out the "winner" should I bother to pursue my "rights" fully.

In reality, should I get a divorce, I would just go my way, and she would go hers. She has lots more money than me.

It's money she earned through hard work. It would be totally immoral for me to pursue getting any of that money which she worked so hard for.



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27 Dec 2018, 10:08 am

magnetowasright wrote:
The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
magnetowasright wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
Then don't tell them generalisations.

Quote:
The rich often go further into debt than the "non-rich", because they feel entitled to having the best of everything. Then, their marriages implode and they get a cold, hard wake-up call about divorce costs, child support, alimony and debt repayment which often includes bankruptcy.



Generalization is usually based on something common, but what she is saying is not even common or based on any stats.

Losing money due to divorce can happen to any class.


But only to one sex.

Most often but it's not a rule. If you married and divorced a rich woman for instance, you probably wouldn't be the one losing out


And when has a rich woman ever married a poor man? Women are naturally hypergamous. It would never happen.

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Which sex is that? I've seen both partners devastated by divorce, rich and poor alike, men and women alike.


In general. But when talking strictly about financial loss, the man is always the loser and the woman is always the winner.


Always? Really?
Do you know any single mothers, for example, or see how they struggle to have custody or provide for their children?

Do you know the legal costs for either parent?

That being said, I know many single fathers who have trouble providing for their children as well.

The system is terrible at collecting child support whether from mothers or fathers, or supporting children in general.

It's a lose-lose proposition to get divorced. There are no winners.


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27 Dec 2018, 10:23 am

My mother became a “single mother” to me after her divorce.

She didn’t take it so well at times. She would sometimes spend whole days in bed.



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27 Dec 2018, 10:23 am

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Ironically, if I would get a divorce, I would probably come out the "winner" should I bother to pursue my "rights" fully.

In reality, should I get a divorce, I would just go my way, and she would go hers. She has lots more money than me.

It's money she earned through hard work. It would be totally immoral for me to pursue getting any of that money which she worked so hard for.


My good friend (male) is divorced and it was the same for him. His wife was extremely wealthy and when they divorced he didn't ask for a penny. He could have, but he didn't.

Also to the person who said that women with money will 'never' marry a man without money because of biology -- I disagree.

Many women in my life have married men with less, including my grandmother who lost everything to marry my grandfather. Even in my personal situation, I've only been with men who had considerably less. It was because those happened to be the men I cared about, not because of a political statement.

I suppose some women wouldn't marry for less, just as some men with money wouldn't want to marry a woman with limited means. Many men are afraid they are gold diggers.

Both genders marry for more / less at times, and there's no biological imperative for women to only want more.


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27 Dec 2018, 10:52 am

Fnord wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
I just feel people should stop listening to all the crap that’s on the Internet, and really go out there and be amongst real people.
Who listens to the Internet?


Back in the day....



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27 Dec 2018, 12:35 pm

Despite holding a Bachelor's degree, I have not been able to obtain a job which pays well or has any real advancement potential in over 10 years. In fact, every job I have held in this time has been the kind of low paying undesirable job for which I was hired on the spot pending a background check. And I have been homeless at least 7 or 8 different times due to loss of income. My student loans have been in deferment for most of this time, as I had no means of making payments. Strangely enough (though purely coincidental I'm sure), I have also not been in a single romantic relationship or even had the prospect of one at any point in the same 10 years.
And before any of you try to tell me it's because of body odor or utter lack of anything resembling a likely personality, let me inform you that I have had several close (strictly platonic) friendships with different women during this same time span as well. A few have routinely invited me to spend with them and meet their children and families. One of them even remains my closest friend to this day. So clearly this isn't a case of my behavior pushing and/or scaring women away.
But I'm guessing that you expect me to believe that my (lack of) romantic prospects would remain exactly the same as it has been for an entire decade if I suddenly landed a six-figure salary.



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27 Dec 2018, 12:49 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:
magnetowasright wrote:
The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
magnetowasright wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
Then don't tell them generalisations.

Quote:
The rich often go further into debt than the "non-rich", because they feel entitled to having the best of everything. Then, their marriages implode and they get a cold, hard wake-up call about divorce costs, child support, alimony and debt repayment which often includes bankruptcy.



Generalization is usually based on something common, but what she is saying is not even common or based on any stats.

Losing money due to divorce can happen to any class.


But only to one sex.

Most often but it's not a rule. If you married and divorced a rich woman for instance, you probably wouldn't be the one losing out


And when has a rich woman ever married a poor man? Women are naturally hypergamous. It would never happen.

IsabellaLinton wrote:

Which sex is that? I've seen both partners devastated by divorce, rich and poor alike, men and women alike.


In general. But when talking strictly about financial loss, the man is always the loser and the woman is always the winner.


Always? Really?
Do you know any single mothers, for example, or see how they struggle to have custody or provide for their children?

Do you know the legal costs for either parent?

That being said, I know many single fathers who have trouble providing for their children as well.

The system is terrible at collecting child support whether from mothers or fathers, or supporting children in general.

It's a lose-lose proposition to get divorced. There are no winners.


If divorce was equally damaging for all parties, then our society would not have the astronomically high divorce rate it has. And if women were not benefitting from divorce on average, the majority of divorces would not be initiated by women.