Is it a myth or not that women dislike us?

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09 Oct 2019, 6:42 am

A lot of members here seem to have trouble to understand the concept of "probability" and "standard deviation".

They also deny some biological facts.

They talk as if each member of humanity (whatever the sex) has a totally unique set of mating preferences, as if no preferences overlap between the majority of people of a given sex, they talk as if the deviation is infinite.

If that was true, if every human that much uniquely different from the other.... then AS would not have existed as a diagnosis LOL. Bullying would not have existed, football would not have existed either, commercials would not have any effect...:lol:

In all species, members (usually the males) have stuff or do stuff that increase their mating chances. There are desirable and undesirable traits for every non-asexual species on this planet.

The OP's thread can be translated: "Do Aspie men usually have traits which are generally undesirable to a lot of women?"



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09 Oct 2019, 6:50 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
A lot of members here seem to have trouble to understand the concept of "probability" and "standard deviation".

They also deny some biological facts.

They talk as if each member of humanity (whatever the sex) has a totally unique set of mating preferences, as if no preferences overlap between the majority of people of a given sex, they talk as if the deviation is infinite.

If that was true, if every human that much uniquely different from the other.... then AS would not have existed as a diagnosis LOL. Bullying would not have existed, football would not have existed either...:lol:

In all species, members (usually the males) have stuff or do stuff that increase their mating chances. There are desirable and undesirable traits for every non-asexual species on this planet.

The OP's thread can be translated: "Do Aspie men usually have traits which are generally undesirable to a lot of women?"


Agreed, if it were just based on individual preference most blokes in my school class would have had a date or girlfriend. I would have overheard girls talking about who they liked and heard different names,instead of that one good looking bloke's name.

It's a numbers game but some people have higher chances.



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09 Oct 2019, 7:34 am

I think a lot of women these days just have a dislike of men in general.


You can blame feminism for that



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09 Oct 2019, 7:47 am

^Could one of you chaps please set this guy straight, unless of course this is a commonly held sentiment?



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09 Oct 2019, 7:52 am

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I think a lot of women these days just have a dislike of men in general. You can blame feminism for that.

Somewhat disagree! There may be "a lot of" women who dislike men in general, if you add up every single woman on the planet who dislikes men, but surely those women are not actually in the majority?

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09 Oct 2019, 7:53 am

There will always be women who dislike men, and men who dislike women. And there always has been

This state of affairs existed long before feminism.



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09 Oct 2019, 7:59 am

Feminism (in general terms) gave women the opportunity to achieve more equal footing with men. Therefore, men became less oppressive. Therefore, men acted better towards women. Therefore, women got to know men better as friends. Therefore, women started having a deeper regard towards their male friends because the genders started relating on the basis of equality.

Men became less mysterious to women and vice versa.

Problems frequently arise when men think of women as some unattainable mystery.



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09 Oct 2019, 8:04 am

Raphael F wrote:
Jamesy wrote:
I think a lot of women these days just have a dislike of men in general. You can blame feminism for that.

Somewhat disagree! There may be "a lot of" women who dislike men in general, if you add up every single woman on the planet who dislikes men, but surely those women are not actually in the majority?

[@Amity: Will this do?! I don't want to start a big argument with anyone...]

Much appreciated, my words tend to fall on deaf ears or are generally ignored.
Also your response contradicts that his sentiments are the status quo in this sub forum, thank you.
His blanket statements are something that provokes emotional responses.



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09 Oct 2019, 8:08 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
Feminism (in general terms) gave women the opportunity to achieve more equal footing with men. Therefore, men became less oppressive. Therefore, men acted better towards women. Therefore, women got to know men better as friends. Therefore, women started having a deeper regard towards their male friends because the genders started relating on the basis of equality.

Men became less mysterious to women and vice versa.

Problems frequently arise when men think of women as some unattainable mystery.

Mr Kortie, a gentleman as always. Thank you.



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09 Oct 2019, 8:12 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
... they don't have to know about AS in order to dislike people with AS, but they would still hate the traits common in AS people: extreme introversion, lack of people sense, lack of socialization, no conversational skills, loner, often lack of confidence due to life experiences... et cetera. Those are unpopular traits... These women probably never heard of AS or know very little about it, but they know it as other more common terms (geek, nerd, introvert, weirdo... et cetera) ...
This is what I've been trying to say -- it is not the AS specifically, but the traits that many people with AS share that cause them to be unpopular. Further, these traits are also common among people who do not have AS/ASDs.

Sure, some women may dislike us AS/ASD men, but it is a direct result of our observable behavior (traits), and not the invisible underlying disorder. Changing our behavior to make it more "mainstream" would likely increase our popularity much more effectively than would merely whining about not having a girlfriend.



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09 Oct 2019, 8:31 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
There will always be women who dislike men, and men who dislike women. And there always has been

This state of affairs existed long before feminism.

There are women who dislike men. Most of them likely embrace feminism nowadays but not all women who embrace feminism dislike men.
There are men who dislike women. They are often anti-feminist but not all anti-feminist men I know dislike women.

A lot of people dislike "the other" because of prejudices and misconceptions. Others have bad connotations after some previous experiences. Sometimes people project their own insecurities to expectations of others, resulting in e.g. a belief that women would only accept a billionaire athlete or that men want nothing else than a Stepford wife.


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09 Oct 2019, 8:40 am

It is always useful to define "feminism."

I don't mean the "third wave" sort which speaks of ideas that "men are all rapists," and that the "Patriarchy" is still entrenched in "western" societies and is an inevitable part of existence.

My definition of "feminism" is the sort which advocates for de facto, not just de jure, equality amongst the genders in all facets (e.g., equal pay for equal responsibility), while acknowledging that there are differences amongst the genders, and that "variety is the spice of life."



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09 Oct 2019, 8:46 am

Duh... I hate these threads. When I was younger, full on debauchery always seemed to do the trick. Drink, smoke, partys...then at least if someone does like you, you're easy to approach. Damn it some of you need to freak out a little.
:twisted: got that off my chest!



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09 Oct 2019, 8:48 am

I was always too square and nerdy to party, smoke, drink, etc. That's my excuse.....



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09 Oct 2019, 9:01 am

People with Aspergers have to tell others that they have Aspergers.
More men have Aspergers than women.
I act the way I do because I have Aspergers.
I do not mean to be rude, arrogant, condescending, it is because I have Aspergers.



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09 Oct 2019, 9:03 am

More women have Asperger's (and autism) than what is represented by the official figures.