Apparently Aspies are sociopaths and narcissistic lmao

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I hate how people associate the two.

Most sociopaths are actually quite social taking advantage of their social skills to 'prey' on vulnerable people, often autistic people while aspies and ASD people in general just want to be left alone and pursuing their interests in peace. In fact they are not only very different but almost polar opposites.

I think that I might be a sociopath, psychopath or narcissist despite diagnosis of Asperger's. I did not think about looking at eyes or maybe even making eye contact before I read about mental disorders like schizophrenia or AS when I was about 16 years old. In 2016 I took MMPI-2 test and the results suggested that I have antisocial PD, narcissistic PD, histrionic PD, passive-aggresive PD and obsessive-compulsive PD (or I am close to them). The test might also suggest that I have schizophrenia so severe that I should be in psychiatric belts in hospital. Before that test I had diagnosis of schizophrenia (paranoid or unspecified) and earlier of Asperger's, mixed OCD and schizotypal disorder. In XI 2019 I toot MMPI test second time and the results were significantly different. I had quite large scores in scales Psychasthenia and Schizophrenia and the results suggested that I have personality similar to obsessive-compulsive and avoidant schizotypal-schizoid. Antisocial PD was the least suggested by results.

I think that some sorts of autism in some way (smaller or larger) overlap with NPD and ASPD. Not all people with autism (especially having a condition similar to that described by Leo Kanner) have to be similar to narcissistics and psychopaths.

lol, funny subjects on this forum

I think I'm heavily alexithymic & pretty defensive as a result. Sadly I can see how all of us would confuse that with some nasty stuff. At least in my intentions, I'm a peaceful person. In this chaotic violent world, it's too easy for me or anyone else to see awful things anyone else might have done in my shoes all the time. Truthfully that's not who I am. I have to remember I'm part of a misunderstood minority all the time, it's kind of the only thing that explains me anymore. There are destructive elements of human nature than can affect anyone in many ways.

As long as I have to live in this kind of social grey area, I guess I ought to be more or less OK with everyone leaving me behind. This is just depressing, I think mental health rhetoric should inherently encourage people to be good to each other, instead it's about this race to the bottom about which totally subjective mental condition is worse & how to diagnose anyone & everyone exactly the right way. Where does it end? Is there really any basis of moral truth in judging each other this much?

I've been segregated away from everyone I know by the mental health system before & I know that that oppressive logic persists among basically everyone. If this is just how we're all going to think about the human mind now, I guess I'm really going to miss everyone.

If I've learned anything personally about this, it's that I can love people & never be enough for them anyway. I'm not sure I care what that says about us anymore.

I've seen a lot of bad stuff man, I'm afraid it took the place of my love life too. You've got me rambling OP but I don't think our shared narrative should throw around so much painful doubt. People are good.

I see that a lot too. So apparently everyone who doesn’t express their feelings is a sociopath Yeah right

Aspies are sociopaths and narcissistic? May be they have to be at least a bit for not loosing their self-esteem because society is unlikely to treat them nice otherwise. Better they fear you than they bully you ...

As is "bullying".

People calling us sociopaths is very flawed,however are we really surprised?People been calling us every horrible name that they can think of.People used to call Autistic people"ret*d,slow or psychotic " back in the days.People think we are bad people because they think we lack empathy(I actually think they lack empathy more than we do).Honestly,I not offended because I just expect non Autistic people to treat us like sh*t,and I don't see that changing anytime soon if ever.

Does anyone know if the 'neurotypical site' has anything to do with the 'heartless Asperger's' site that used to be online? Wonder if it's the same person or group?

I joined a FB forum that discusses IQ and IQ tests a little while ago . As several had mentioned having major psychiatric problems I opened up about mine, and being on the spectrum. That prompted one of them to reply about those on the spectrum being akin to narcissists, and mentioning Susan Heitler (Ph.D.) who posts these kind of articles
https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog ... hese-cases.

+1

Interesting read.
From what I've read in L&D, some people have traits of both & some people with lots of spectrum characteristics can be quite abusive to romantic partners. When I was a kid my mom would of probably agreed I had these traits of Narcissism
~Having a sense of entitlement
~Expecting special favors and unquestioning compliance with your expectations
~Taking advantage of others to get what you want
~Having an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others

I think the real problem for me was that I was born with lots of various physical & mental disabilities/issues besides Aspergers & as a result I was under LOTS of stress & needed things a specif way cuz of my need for routine & predictability. Not getting my special needs met made me feel very unloved/unwanted/uncared for & being criticized for my needs made me feel attacked(maybe partly cuz I was bullied a lot as a kid) & caused me to have meltdowns directed at the person.

It looks like they’re independent but cross-pollinating. They draw from the same pool of hatred as that site, the Cassandra stuff, ASPartners, etc. Like it goes beyond “my partner was bad” into “autistic people are bad”. Their recommended reading section includes a website linking autism to school shootings. It’s vile.

Yup.

Sociopaths do a fab job of gaslighting ppl with lack of social skills though.

Even accusing the person with ASD of something THEY did on all counts towards the person.

Sorry to say this has been my experience.

The site could even be run by a (neurologically wired as such) sociopath.

The fact that social issues with Aspies can be truly disruptive if not addressed seems to go over the heads of many NTs.

They seem to think that "good" Aspies are just kind of cutely awkward, not really offensive. Dreamy Luna Lovegood types. A lot of them seem to have "empathy" for ASD characters like Matilda or Sam, but I can bet you if a lot of them knew someone like that irl, they'd be the first to exclude and judge.

Then they meet some of us and realize there's a reason it's classified as a disability... And we internalize their moral judgments because we believe that we should know how to behave, even though most of us received the dx because we don't know how to behave all the time.

Unfortunately, the people who are supposed to teach you how to coexist peacefully with NTs are usually not well equipped to teach the finer nuances of social situations. NTs don't really think it's their problem to educate you. You get shoved out into the world, make a ton of mistakes, and feel bad about yourself even when it blows up.

Sure there are probably some people with the dx who abuse it. I think if you consistently give someone concrete instructions ("please don't say x to me") and they keep doing it because "I'm Autistic, I can't help it" that's a problem. A desire to receive feedback and be given room to change is the hallmark of someone who has a good heart. If anything, I feel like I'm getting (unintentionally) gaslighted by my support circle for telling me that I'm not doing anything wrong, while I realize that there must be something that I'm doing to get people to respond negatively as they do.

Unfortunately, the wider social world doesn't really give explicit feedback, so you're left with very little means to communicate your faux pas or misunderstood behaviors with the general public. (Your workplace, campus, or school.)

Well said. It is a disability the way it manifests and had my parents particularly my dad (sometimes it seemed my mom had no heart for it) doing everything to make thibgs work for me.

The level of care and attention they had to devote to just teaching me on weekends or learning to tie shoelaces properly something i didnt grasp till a couple of years ago etc ..much more that includes poor executive functioning n emotional regulation manifesting And it still wasnt enough.

And anyone can look at kids with a level 3 diagnosis to see the most obvious manifestation of it as a disability and how still that has some people blaming them for genuine issues...

or assuming bad behaviour with their very best efforts, just from the inability to maintain it. Kinda hypocritical since NTs are inconsistent too.

And sociopathic.... If you see a true sociopath they can manipulate and hurt almost as a way to stimulate something inside them...for satisfaction.

I can't imagine genuinely being pleased at someone in distress even if they were awful or it benefited me to have them worse off.
Like how many ppl with ASD reported their bullies and were happy to get them in trouble? Not many I bet.