Do women simply just dislike Aspie men?
kraftiekortie wrote:
I’m just a clerk, just like you’re a clerk.
I think I have a “real job.”
Most people are smart enough to know that any job is a “real job.”
Especially in this era of COVID.
I think I have a “real job.”
Most people are smart enough to know that any job is a “real job.”
Especially in this era of COVID.
Clearly make more then retail workers. Most consider retail only suitable for teens working part time jobs. Real jobs makes 20k plus a year, can afford to buy a house, buy a new car, go on vacations. Middle class.
I haven’t met a woman yet who considers retail or any min wage job a real job nor any man working it a real man.
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sly279 wrote:
dw.731 wrote:
I said yes to being his girlfriend before he had his first job. He works retail now.
I was meaning is women won’t even date me cause I lack a real job, so I’m not a real man.
Did you date him before or after he had a job?
sly279 wrote:
dw.731 wrote:
He started his first job during the holiday season last year. November/December-ish. Ghosting could not be that, though... as he still shows pretty active in apps like Instagram. He just doesn't talk to me anymore after he said he felt like he made a huge mistake. To my NT mind, that means he must have lost interest.
Did he have a job?
sly279 wrote:
dw.731 wrote:
NT female here. I adored my ASD (20) boyfriend. I wish he would come back. He kept getting overwhelmed any time remotely I tried to talk about if there was a disagreement or he would disappear and not communicate he was disappearing... or if I felt hurt. The one time he did something inappropriate (used self sexual pleasure for coping) while I was texting him about some serious issues...
Any time since this year if I brought up something as calmly as I could to discuss, he would resort to "maybe it would be best if we broke up". Ultimately he ended it by not breaking up with me directly... 10 days later saying he felt like he made a huge mistake breaking it off... then ghosted me completely. Talk about giving abandonment issues.
Anyway. I loved his special interests. I learned his routines and I knew when to expect him to disappear (about 75% of the time). I loved his quirks, and I admired his truthfulness, although I would get frustrated at him skirting around issues sometimes, as it would seem deceptive. I embraced him for who he was. We were friends beforehand, although I felt an instant connection to him. Where he had a low self esteem, I admired what he hated about himself. We were together for almost a year.
Bottom line: We are out there. I thought the world of him.
Any time since this year if I brought up something as calmly as I could to discuss, he would resort to "maybe it would be best if we broke up". Ultimately he ended it by not breaking up with me directly... 10 days later saying he felt like he made a huge mistake breaking it off... then ghosted me completely. Talk about giving abandonment issues.
Anyway. I loved his special interests. I learned his routines and I knew when to expect him to disappear (about 75% of the time). I loved his quirks, and I admired his truthfulness, although I would get frustrated at him skirting around issues sometimes, as it would seem deceptive. I embraced him for who he was. We were friends beforehand, although I felt an instant connection to him. Where he had a low self esteem, I admired what he hated about himself. We were together for almost a year.
Bottom line: We are out there. I thought the world of him.
Did he have a job?
I was meaning is women won’t even date me cause I lack a real job, so I’m not a real man.
Did you date him before or after he had a job?
Why not date a guy with real job and future?
I think that is a very silly question. For now it is a real job, could still continue to be a real job... and he has a future. Who are any of us to judge another.
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sly279 wrote:
Why not date a guy with real job and future?
dw.731 wrote:
I said yes to being his girlfriend before he had his first job. He works retail now.
Are you now giving her the attitude you always complain about receiving? I'm not sure internalizing the attitudes you complain about encountering is going to make things better, all it does is add another voice to the chorus and since it's your own it can harass you and undermine you no matter when or where.
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sly279 wrote:
I haven’t met a woman yet who considers retail or any min wage job a real job nor any man working it a real man.
This attitude sabotages you before you even start. No one could come off as confident and suitable if they went in with the mindset you appear to approach relationships with. While it's not the only issue and much of your observations are partially true, it's only partial and treating them like strict and unbendable rules seems more likely to just destroy whatever confidence you might otherwise muster.
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rick42 wrote:
Pepe wrote:
rick42 wrote:
Cyberdad doesn't know how it's like to go a entire lifetime without a single woman being interested in him,but he's telling you,me,along with other aspie men that we continue to try to meet women,that it's our fault for why women dislike us and why meeting women in real life is somehow going to make our situation better,which will not in reality.
I find it odd that an NT, especially one who has no training in psychology, is giving advice to those on the spectrum.
Rather, he should ask questions to try an understand our valid situation and gain enlightenment.
Aspie males have difficultly with relating to NT women.
NT women are usually interested in NT males.
Nature at work.
Natural selection is a biatch.
Not rocket surgery.
I'm starting to agree.Natural selection is probably at work and natural selection is pretty much telling me that I will be alone forever,and there's nothing that I can do about it.You're also correct that NT females are interested in only non aspie males.Even aspie females(who make up a very small % of the population anyway) seem to be only interested in non aspie males as well.
Oh for crying out loud, don't listen to him, there's hundreds of WP members who are married or dating NTs, we aren't the bogey here.
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cyberdad wrote:
rick42 wrote:
Pepe wrote:
rick42 wrote:
Cyberdad doesn't know how it's like to go a entire lifetime without a single woman being interested in him,but he's telling you,me,along with other aspie men that we continue to try to meet women,that it's our fault for why women dislike us and why meeting women in real life is somehow going to make our situation better,which will not in reality.
I find it odd that an NT, especially one who has no training in psychology, is giving advice to those on the spectrum.
Rather, he should ask questions to try an understand our valid situation and gain enlightenment.
Aspie males have difficultly with relating to NT women.
NT women are usually interested in NT males.
Nature at work.
Natural selection is a biatch.
Not rocket surgery.
I'm starting to agree.Natural selection is probably at work and natural selection is pretty much telling me that I will be alone forever,and there's nothing that I can do about it.You're also correct that NT females are interested in only non aspie males.Even aspie females(who make up a very small % of the population anyway) seem to be only interested in non aspie males as well.
Oh for crying out loud, don't listen to him, there's hundreds of WP members who are married or dating NTs, we aren't the bogey here.
At some point you might have to let people who insist on choosing failure to just stew in their own negativity and self-fulfilling prophecies while everyone else achieves some level of success around them. If they'd like to pull themselves out of the misery stew and try again later we'll still be here to offer a hand but until they make that decision for themselves there's no point waiting leaned over with your hand out.
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cyberdad wrote:
I would like to motivate them to not get into a negative frame of mind that's all.
I get that and it's a good impulse, but has anyone on here ever succeeded at pulling someone out of their misery stew before they were willing to make an effort themselves?
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I was ashamed of myself when I realised life was a costume party and I attended with my real face
"Many of us like to ask ourselves, What would I do if I was alive during slavery? Or the Jim Crow South? Or apartheid? What would I do if my country was committing genocide?' The answer is, you're doing it. Right now." —Former U.S. Airman (Air Force) Aaron Bushnell
funeralxempire wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
I would like to motivate them to not get into a negative frame of mind that's all.
I get that and it's a good impulse, but has anyone on here ever succeeded at pulling someone out of their misery stew before they were willing to make an effort themselves?funeralxempire wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
rick42 wrote:
Pepe wrote:
rick42 wrote:
Cyberdad doesn't know how it's like to go a entire lifetime without a single woman being interested in him,but he's telling you,me,along with other aspie men that we continue to try to meet women,that it's our fault for why women dislike us and why meeting women in real life is somehow going to make our situation better,which will not in reality.
I find it odd that an NT, especially one who has no training in psychology, is giving advice to those on the spectrum.
Rather, he should ask questions to try an understand our valid situation and gain enlightenment.
Aspie males have difficultly with relating to NT women.
NT women are usually interested in NT males.
Nature at work.
Natural selection is a biatch.
Not rocket surgery.
I'm starting to agree.Natural selection is probably at work and natural selection is pretty much telling me that I will be alone forever,and there's nothing that I can do about it.You're also correct that NT females are interested in only non aspie males.Even aspie females(who make up a very small % of the population anyway) seem to be only interested in non aspie males as well.
Oh for crying out loud, don't listen to him, there's hundreds of WP members who are married or dating NTs, we aren't the bogey here.
At some point you might have to let people who insist on choosing failure to just stew in their own negativity and self-fulfilling prophecies while everyone else achieves some level of success around them. If they'd like to pull themselves out of the misery stew and try again later we'll still be here to offer a hand but until they make that decision for themselves there's no point waiting leaned over with your hand out.
You seem to be blaming men who are black pilled/incels for their situations with women.There's a difference between being overly "negative"/" having self fulling prophecies" and being realistic.Lets real here. Some men are just doomed to be alone forever no matter what they do.Some males have even been treated poorly by females before they even started becoming interested in dating. For example,I have treated poorly by females ever since 1st Grade when I was 6 years old,and been poorly by females ever since.That's a long f*****g time ago,before some people here were even born.That's NOT something that easily be shaken off.So if people like me can't be "helped",then how would you feel if you been rejected by every single female throughout your entire life? Personally,I really close to giving up women,and can you blame me based on my situation and past experiences?
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funeralxempire wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
I would like to motivate them to not get into a negative frame of mind that's all.
I get that and it's a good impulse, but has anyone on here ever succeeded at pulling someone out of their misery stew before they were willing to make an effort themselves?
Not sure? I'm also not sure what the logistical hurdles are? probably each person has a specific issue - appearance, income, anxiety, communication barriers? so I might be overlooking something insurmountable.
rick42 wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
rick42 wrote:
In my 36 years of living,not a single a girl/woman have ever showed interest in me at all.
Well geez, I'm aspie and girls show an interest in me. Maybe you just need to work on your confidence a little.
Confidence won't do s**t to make females like me.Some people are just cursed to be alone forever without being loved for a single day in their lives.At this point,I feel like I will be one these people.
If it makes you feel better,
I don't fancy you getting into my pants either.
I am one of those people to which you refer.
I am unloveable also.
Oh, the pain,
Oh, the humanity.
If you have read my posts on the subject, you will realise I don't respect the significant-other paradigm.
And I actually find it embarrassing.
It is a trade-off, after all, and because personal independence is of major importance for those on the spectrum, having a coupling relationship is hardly the be-all and end-all.
Society has simply conditioned/brainwashed us in thinking it is. <shrug>
When people get older, most will see the wisdom of my brilliance.
Fnord wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
I would like to motivate them to not get into a negative frame of mind that's all.
I get that and it's a good impulse, but has anyone on here ever succeeded at pulling someone out of their misery stew before they were willing to make an effort themselves?Q: How many psychiatrists does it take to change a light bulb?
A: One, but the light bulb has got to want to change.
sly279 wrote:
Being I have women show interest in me until they find out my jobs and tell me it’s why they won’t date me. I’d bet it’s the lack of a real job.
The fact is money is what makes most relationships.
I will never own another car, I will never own a house. I will never take vacations around the world. Most women want that, so they want a guy who can have that.
Women, and men, are ultimately pragmatic, even if it is on a subconscious/unconscious level.
Using an evolutionary and heterosexual context:
A woman wants a partner who can protect and support a family unit.
Moolah is a major factor in this equation, these days, in most situations.
Sheldon Lee Cooper has made it perfectly clear that there is no shame in this.
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