Most men here cant get women because they lack confidence

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28 Apr 2021, 8:21 pm

Narcissistic people are among the least self-confident, and they dominate much of the social media landscape. No coincidence there.

Or maybe the more precise word would be "secure/insecure". And maybe that's the source of much of the confusion, because "self-confidence" is often equated with "portraying self-confidence", but it's exactly the most insecure people who will often go to great lengths to portray self-confidence that they simply don't have.


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29 Apr 2021, 12:22 am

Benjamin the Donkey wrote:
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Gag me with a spoon, stop with the gamma pseudoscience PLEASE.


This isn't pseudoscience. This is called reality and time tested wisdom.


No, all this alpha, beta, gamma crap is based on a debunked understanding of wolf social interaction. It's inaccurate and misleading about that species and even more so when applied to humans.

I'm a nerdy introvert, useless at socializing, and yet have never lacked for female companionship--and often had more than I've wanted.

While it's true that desperation and negativity are turn-offs to women, there's no need to bring all this Greek alphabet nonsense into the discussion.


No, the alpha/beta thing exist in primates; it is debunked for wolves only.
Gorillas and chimps certainly have it.
Check it out.
And humans are closer to chimps than to wolves, wolves are socially egalitarian.


Your knowledge in that is so outdated.



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29 Apr 2021, 12:33 am

Most of the men I've been interested in weren't overly confident. They were humble, a little shy, and somewhat affable. What drew me to them was that they had interests of their own beyond the hope of dating me, or any other available woman. They had full lives with hobbies, talents, and lots of life experiences to share. I've dated a homeless addict, a narcissistic banker, a professor of Music, and a retired guidance counsellor. I wouldn't call any of them "confident" once I got to know their inner emotions, but they've had strong personalities and an ability to make interesting conversation.


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29 Apr 2021, 1:00 am

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I'm tired of the insistence that I must find ways to show off confidence to get anywhere. I'd rather just be direct.

:shrug: It's not all just appearances & behavioral science. People have minds too.


I think you misread my thread because nothing in my thread has anything to do with what you think it does


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29 Apr 2021, 1:01 am

If that alpha theta lambda thing is true, then I must be a Cyrillic letter or a hiragana syllable or something.


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29 Apr 2021, 1:14 am

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I'm sorry but this is my observation with a lot of the Aspie men I know here, they want a woman but their lack of confidence, desperation and need for a women oozes out so conspicuously they dont realize that they're only repelling any prospective partners the more they get desperate for a partner.

Look most people want a partner. But most people arent so desperate that they base their worth on whether they can find a partner or not, nor is it something that can consume them. BTW this thread is a generic thread not singling out anyone in particular, so if you read this thread and think im aiming it at someone please dont do that. This thread applies to many men, but especially the Aspie men who cant find partners, and thus Im making this thread for a lot of people.

Women want someone confidence, someone with spine, autonomy, and a sense of independent self worth which is lacking in people who wanting a partner goes from a want to a need. The moment someone'e entire self worth, existence and self validation becomes contingent on if another women likes them is ironically the moment they forever preempt said woman from loving them.

Top tier men, men who are alpha or even men who arent that high level but decently desirable, there's more on their plate than getting a woman. They have something about them that defines them that makes women want to find them, almost as if even if a woman doesnt accept them they have enough for themselves to survive but if a woman does love them its a bonus.

Thats what separates a want from a need. Wanting women isn't the same thing as needing a woman. Understand that difference and many of the men here who struggle with women while find themselves a lot more desirable and attractive.

And I want to emphasize again this thread is a general thread for men in general, not any member or members, heck not even Aspie men because many men struggle with this. They make finding a partner a goal that consumes them where it takes away from the autonomy and other qualities that would even make a woman want to find them. The moment men just develop themselves, build their own skills, become great people outside of a woman, then maybe more women will want to be in their lives. No one wants to be part of a boring or dull life. People want to join lives that already have something to offer.


I've been saying this for years...if you plot the level of desperation displayed by a man toward a target female against the level of negative attitudes by a target female toward that man you will get a nice positive correlation.



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29 Apr 2021, 1:34 am

I think that's one of those things that, if it doesn't go without saying, then saying it probably won't make a difference.


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29 Apr 2021, 1:38 am

I think it’s more not being able to know if a girl likes us and then not being able to connect with them



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29 Apr 2021, 2:18 am

For my part, I prefer to be myself rather than being confident :)



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29 Apr 2021, 2:22 am

Honestly, I shiver every time someone uses the phrase "to get women".
Like we were some stock on a restricted market.


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29 Apr 2021, 2:40 am

Same problem for guys too lately tbh.


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29 Apr 2021, 2:42 am

magz wrote:
Honestly, I shiver every time someone uses the phrase "to get women".
Like we were some stock on a restricted market.


I think a local mullah here described marriageable girls like fresh fish in a fish market and men like hungry cats.



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29 Apr 2021, 3:11 am

magz wrote:
Honestly, I shiver every time someone uses the phrase "to get women".
Like we were some stock on a restricted market.

It does seem to me that, more often than not, that's exactly what people mean.

I can understand the idea from a rationalized point of view, I can understand it in some type of culture where marriage is a social requirement for survival and not so much a personal choice, but in an ostensibly free society it just seems self-destructive. It detracts from actual companionship or plain enjoyment in general, and keeps everyone involved unfulfilled. It's a race to the bottom.

But then again, it's not by accident, it's encouraged. Contented people are simply not good for business, and self-contented even worse.

The sad thing about it is that it really seems to be a natural and pretty much inevitable outcome of capitalism and "perpetual economic growth" - if something can be turned into a market, it has to be turned into a market.

And obviously the sensible and realistic alternative to capitalism is :shrug: :?:.


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29 Apr 2021, 3:38 am

Stop listening to male self help specialists.

Start listening to female friends.

If you don't have female friends, you're not ready for a girlfriend.

Not everyone has to have someone. If you're not into socialising, a relationship is a bad idea because it's pretty much sharing your life with someone.

That's why I'm happy single: people can just come and go in my life with no desire to 'own' them or 'have' them etc.


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29 Apr 2021, 4:26 am

Stephen Hawking was actually rather nasty when he left one woman for another.

Yeah...forget about all this Alpha/Gamma BS.

But women tend to be turned off to men who accentuate their shortcomings and not take into account their strengths.



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29 Apr 2021, 4:40 am

KT67 wrote:
Stop listening to male self help specialists.

Start listening to female friends.

If you don't have female friends, you're not ready for a girlfriend.

Not everyone has to have someone. If you're not into socialising, a relationship is a bad idea because it's pretty much sharing your life with someone.

That's why I'm happy single: people can just come and go in my life with no desire to 'own' them or 'have' them etc.


Something else I've been saying for years!

Mix with lots of females

Well if you don't listen to me, listen to KT67