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talk about making BS up! i said the first part (not what was in bold) when i said that i was talking about in IRL fights... not having "civil" debates online (which is what we're talking about here). and that's neither here nor there... cause i have never backed down from your psycho babble... nor do you really have any basis for imagining what a verbal fight with me is like... so you have no right to pull that card here. you can say that that's maybe why im not in a relationship... but then that's what CAUSED me to leave the ones i did. mmmk? thanks.

you're the one who doesnt respond well to a plethora of responses on forum boards and frequently stops responding to people....

cause you have no logical response.

ex:

i say things in a relationship should be mutual (meaning equal... cause i applied it to all aspects of relationships) and you say you agree... and then respond with some bible quoting where there is clearly not an equal/mutual example being made.... i call you on it and make a valid point... and you don't respond.... and further more, now in a post just above... you say that you're not saying things in relationships should be equal... that there are roles

you are inconsistant on fine points.... so go ahead and do some whining about clarification (like defining equal) and then revamp your philosophy... so that we can see how you were saying that all along

Ever figure it's cause I just get bored of it? I mean, people can be led in circles only so long before they get sick of it.

IMO, Paul's definition, while giving men and women differently-emphasized patterns of function in a marriage, still keeps them equally dignified. Did he say "The female is the lesser human"? No, nor anything of the sort. Put away your feminism for a brief moment, and you might be able to see the natural equality that is meant to exist between man and woman.

You've done this before... QUIT telling me what I should say! You're bossing me around, while preaching equality -- pretty hypocritical of you. Is that how you treat guys in relationships? Make them answer the way YOU want them to answer? What kind of crap is that? (Thanks for proving Gen 3:16.)

I'm on my way to Barnes & Noble, to pick up the latest Ann Coulter book, which came out today!

She understands male leadership in the home. Why can't you? Is Ann smarter than you or something? Heck, she's smarter than me!

The hottest girl Ive seen knocking on my door was my neice just my luck other then that nothing .

Really?
wow...
I'm not sure but I think most of women here wouldn't agree with you.


Yes, they are not, and we already know why is that.

Well, whoop-dee-doo.

Where's the emoticon for a great big yawn??

Don't worry, your presence accomplished that. I'll sleep well tonight.

Thought that Lot and (maybe) Lazarus did.

'Twas the important part. Clearly indicating
that men are BETTER than women, according
to your scripture. Funny thing, that Christ never
spouted such s**t. Wouldn't have been acceptable
in Jewish society though. Paul ruined whatever good
might have been in Christianity.

Just shows how inferior they are.


Gods, how one must tremble before
the almighty and righteous!

What omission part?
Let me see .....


Oh, that one.
well, it says that husbands should treat their wives with care and love, but how that "love" and "care" was considered at the time? that's a good question, surely something like, "I love my wife and care about her but I don't let her raise her voice, she is not allowed to do that, but I love her anyway." You can see and hear the same argument when parents used to beat their children, and they did it because they loved them.

Also that passage compares the husband to Christ and the wife with the church, obviously Christ is the head, meaning he is superior than the church, and they have to obey, isn't it? Making that comparison, it means that men are superior than women, and they have to be subjected to their husbands, pretty much women were not allowed to question their husband's judgements, because they didn't have the same mental capacity as men, as it was considered, remember that Paul himself said that women were not allowed to give their opinions on matters of the church.

The patriarchal system in that society at the time and how the gender role people had to accept is what the Bible illustrates, very likely that is why God is a male figure, because it comes from a society dominated by men.

This other part, surely is not a thing to be omitted as it illustrates that women were considered inferior the time Paul wrote that, and you clearly confirmed that, you actually said that women are inferior in one of your previous posts, which is amusing actually, considering a high porcentage of women here would find your arguments pretty much.. well, not acceptable.

Uh, ya -- when you amputate the rest of the thought! The way you cut it off, it sounds like he only gives instruction to women.

And submission of one individual to another does not automatically imply inferiority. Obviously, a general is not considered to be a superior human being to the soldiers under him. Clearly, it's a matter roles, not differing personal worths. Why do we vote to elect U.S. presidents? Because they're superior human beings? No, because having a leader prevents anarchy. "Wives submit yourselves to your husbands" is about functional unity, not differing personal worths.

Last edited by Ragtime on 03 Oct 2007, 8:47 am, edited 1 time in total.

Ah, so you're denying this?

Look, it's OBVIOUS that you believe
the misogyny, regardless of whether
Paul did. I think his quote (all of it, as
gb points out) indicates that he did, as
well - far more than anything attributed
to Christ himself. More than the contemporary
Jews accepted.

Why? Well, 'tis the Greek thinking. The sales
pitch that made Christianity NOT what Jesus
preached, but what would convert huge numbers
of gentiles.

Indeed, given the difficulties between Paul
and James, and the unsteady alliance, it's
pretty clear that he was just one HELL of
a con artist. Managed to shape Christianity
more than Christ did.

See my edited post above.