How to avoid Dating a Narcissist
If anyone has any stories on how they learned the hard way of dealing with a narcissist, and then how they knew themselves better afterwards, please share them!
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To learn more about how to avoid dating the narcissist, feel free to look at the video below, and reply to this post about your experiences.
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Is That Narcissist You Know Actually Just a Self-Absorbed Jerk?
Not everyone who's into themselves is actually a narcissist
There’s much more to narcissism than just being a self-absorbed jerk. Read on to learn more about narcissistic personality disorder and who can actually, accurately be called a narcissist—and who is just into themselves in a more everyday sense.
What Is Narcissism?
Narcissism, or narcissistic personality disorder (NPD), is a diagnosable personality disorder characterized by behavioral patterns like grandiosity, lack of empathy, and the chronic need for admiration. According to the fifth edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), people with NPD must display at least five of the following traits:
- Heightened and grandiose sense of self-importance (for example, expecting to be recognized for exaggerated achievements or achievements they haven’t actually attained)
- Preoccupied with fantasies about power, brilliance, success, beauty, and/or perfect love (love without the real-world complications of relationships)
- Belief that they are “special” and should only associate with other “special” people or that they are only truly understood by other “special” people
- Requiring excessive or effusive admiration
- A sense of entitlement that would require unconditional favorable treatment and compliance with any and all demands
- Exploiting others for their own gain
- Lacking empathy and unable to recognize the feelings of others
- Frequently envious of others and/or thinks others are envious of them
- Arrogant and haughty attitudes and behaviors
There are two basic types of NPD—”grandiose” and “vulnerable.”
Grandiose NPD is exactly what you’d expect based on the characteristics listed above: defined by ostentatious grandiosity, aggression, lack of empathy, and the exploitation of others.
Vulnerable NPD is more difficult to detect because it is defined by hypersensitivity to and defensiveness in the face of criticism or what is perceived to be criticism, and therefore is often easy to miss. (Sensitivity to negative feedback is not as noticeable, or indeed as recognizable as a narcissistic need for admiration, as grandiose behavior.)
NPD is a “Cluster B” personality disorder, which is characterized by unpredictable and overtly emotional behavior (antisocial personality disorder, what we’d commonly call sociopathy, is part of this cluster). It is commonly comorbid (existing at the same time) with other personality disorders and mental health problems, making NPD particularly tricky to identify and treat.
Despite this, it is a fairly common personality disorder—some statistics estimate that it is prevalent in anywhere from 5% to 15% of the population, with the higher percentage being found specifically in those who have received inpatient psychiatric treatment.
The severity of NPD is generally measured by aggressiveness—the more aggressive the person is, the more severe their personality disorder is considered. This aggression, as well as a reduced tolerance of distress and the inability to control affect (the way emotions are displayed), is a defining characteristic of NPD.
How Is Narcissism Different Than Being a Stuck-Up Jerk?
So, how do you tell the difference between a bona fide narcissist and someone who’s just generally unpleasant and self-obsessed? There are some key clues here.
First of all, a true narcissist will display at least five of those nine characteristics listed above; someone who does not display at least five of those characteristics cannot be diagnosed with NPD.
That means that someone who displays only one or a few of these characteristics might be considered “narcissistic” in the colloquial sense of the term, but cannot be officially deemed a “narcissist” by medical standards.
The other telltale difference between a full-blown narcissist and someone who is just being a jerk is choice.
Most people have the choice between behaving badly and behaving well; a choice between selfishness and generosity, or between nastiness and respect. A true narcissist does not have that choice.
Someone who is just being a jerk might recognize that their behavior only benefits them, and choose to go ahead with it anyway, because they place their own wellbeing above the wellbeing of others.
For narcissists, this consideration is impossible. Their condition is characterized by a chronic lack of empathy and the inability to function outside of their grandiose and unrealistic inner world. Just like someone who suffers from anxiety cannot choose to not be anxious, a narcissist cannot choose to not be narcissistic.
However, just like there are effective treatments for anxiety, NPD can also be effectively treated, namely through therapy.
How to Deal With Narcissists...and Jerks
The way you handle a true narcissist can be very different from the way you handle someone who’s just being a self-absorbed jerk.
First of all, when dealing with a narcissist, it’s imperative to remember that their behavior has absolutely nothing to do with you.
No matter what you do or say, they will still behave narcissistically. Do not take their behavior personally.
If, on the other hand, the person you’re dealing with is not actually a narcissist but is still behaving badly, you might want to (and be able to) explore what has triggered them to act the way they are acting.
Confronting someone like this—someone who is not a narcissist—can actually be productive. Explaining how you feel to someone who is capable of empathy (even if they’re not acting like it at the moment) is much more likely to work than trying to do the same with a narcissist who is clinically incapable of empathy.
A narcissist, by definition, is hypersensitive to perceived criticism, so approaching them with questions and concerns is likely to backfire; however, someone who is just being unpleasant might be able to recognize and accept your feedback for what it is—feedback.
If you’re working with a narcissist, dealing with them might feel impossible. In this case, it would be important to talk to your fellow coworkers about the narcissist’s behavior in order to build up interpersonal support.
It is much easier to handle narcissistic behavior if the people around you also understand that that’s what’s happening, and you can lean on each other when their bad behavior affects you.
However, if you are dealing with a narcissist in your personal life, you might want to consider whether ending your relationship with them might be better for your own mental health.
Unless the person is actively in treatment to address their NPD, it might feel impossible for you to continue interacting with them. Again, remember that their behavior has nothing to do with you, and it might not change no matter what you do.
Treatment for Narcissistic Personality Disorder
The best treatment for NPD is psychotherapy, or talk therapy. If someone with NPD pursues therapy and commits to changing the way they think about themselves and interact with the world, therapy can be successful. That said, this can be a difficult step for someone with NPD, as they are unlikely to perceive that their behavior may be problematic or harmful.
In therapy, someone with NPD can learn to:
- Understand and manage their emotions and tendencies, like their competitiveness and their inherent dislike of others and themselves
- Relate more effectively with those around them to make their working and personal relationships better
- Recognize what they are actually good at in order to better tolerate criticism and failure
- Set realistic goals
- Understand and handle issues about self-esteem
Therapy for someone with NPD will be about self-recognition—understanding their natural tendencies and ways of thinking and learning to act in opposition to those things.
There is no medication approved to treat NPD, though medications like anti-depressants can effectively treat comorbid conditions like depression and anxiety.
Final Thoughts
While narcissistic personality disorder is one of the more common personality disorders, the term “narcissism” is often used without a full understanding of the actual condition itself.
But recognizing the difference between a true narcissist and someone who is just behaving unpleasantly can help people learn to more effectively deal with someone who does actually have NPD. Additionally, increasing your sensitivity around this issue can help reduce any stigmas around individuals with personality disorders, which are often misunderstood.
Finally, working on your communication skills can only be a positive for you moving forward, whether or not you're dealing with a narcissist.
Are You Dealing With a Narcissist or Just a Selfish Jerk?
There’s a difference between insensitive behavior and straight up manipulation.
For folks who are actually dealing with someone with NPD—or with narcissistic personality traits—there may be a lot of truth to that narrative. But for most, the reality lives somewhere in the middle: “They can’t all be narcissists,” Lindsay Weisner, PsyD, a therapist in New York City who has treated clients diagnosed with NPD and those affected by them, tells SELF. Experts believe that between 1 and 6% of people in the US have NPD, and while Dr. Weisner adds that it’s difficult to get someone with severe narcissism to seek treatment or volunteer for a study, the disorder is certainly rare.
When did we, as a culture, start using the terms ‘“narcissist” and “narcissistic personality disorder” so casually and interchangeably? It’s something Dr. Weisner says she’s wondered about, too, noting that “language is always evolving.” The explosion of mental health advice across Instagram and TikTok in recent years has facilitated a widely presumed familiarity with certain jargon (see also: love bombing, gaslighting, and toxic family/friends/bosses/anyone). In the best of circumstances, these terms can help us better understand our challenges with other people so we can grow from them. When interpreted incorrectly, however, they can misrepresent relationship dynamics and prevent us from seeing things clearly.
“I think when someone breaks your heart or treats you poorly, it can be easy to villainize them by calling them a narcissist,” Dr. Weisner says. Jennifer B. Hirsch, PsyD, a New York City–based therapist who also treats people with NPD and those close to them, says she’s experienced this with clients, and young women in particular. “Often, what’s really happening is that they’re trying to get a relationship out of someone who doesn’t actually want to be in one,” Dr. Hirsch tells SELF. “If someone never remembers your birthday, never calls when they say they will, or always demands you split the dinner check, that person might be a jerk, but they’re not necessarily a narcissist.”
And just because a person has narcissistic traits doesn’t mean they have NPD, either, by the way. Below, Dr. Weisner and Dr. Hirsch share a few key differences between someone with NPD (or narcissistic tendencies) and a plain ol‘ selfish person. None of this information is a substitute for an assessment by a licensed mental health professional, of course, but it might make you think twice before chalking up self-centered behavior (which, to be clear, can also be a relationship red flag) to a personality disorder. Plus, it’ll help you sound super smart at brunch.
Selfish jerks and narcissists often seem arrogant—but their motivations are different.
As characterized in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders [(DSM-5)](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32310461/#:~:text=Narcissistic personality disorder \(NPD\) is,Disorders \(DSM–5).), people diagnosed with NPD exhibit “a pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, and lack of empathy.”
“Most of their stories end with them accidentally saving the day or doing something amazing, and they’re frequently expressing something that’s almost unbelievable about themselves,” Dr. Weisner says, adding that those with NPD are typically attracted to high-powered jobs and people and often have lofty goals (think vying for CEO or influencer status).
Self-centered folks are known to brag about their accomplishments too, of course, but for narcissistic people the underlying motivation is “a need to keep their image intact in front of others,” she adds. “It’s about being seen a certain way by the world.” In other words, it’s not that they truly believe they’re superior (as a selfish jerk might); it’s that they need you—and everyone else on the planet—to think they are.
“The theoretical understanding over time has been that most narcissists developed that way because they either had a parent who overpraised them and made them feel as if they were the sun and the moon—or they had a parent who undervalued them and narcissism became their coping skill,” Dr. Weisner explains.
A selfish jerk is more likely to bore the hell out of you.
Again, like a narcissist, a selfish jerk might be prone to braggy comments, rattling on about where they went to school, why they’re on a macrobiotic diet, and how heavy they lifted at the gym. But it’ll probably get monotonous quickly, Dr. Hirsch says. Narcissism, on the other hand, can be thrilling.
“When a narcissist is shining their light on you, it can make you feel like a rock star. They’re often a little too complimentary at first,” Dr. Weisner says. “They can even seem like the perfect partner, parent, or friend—the only thing is, there's a subconscious manipulative quality to it.” The positive attention they’re giving you isn’t really about you at all; it’s about making a good impression so that you’ll stick around and supply them with their lifeblood: praise and admiration.
A real-life example: A run-of-the-mill jerk might not show up to your birthday party because they’re angry at you and don’t really care if others think they’re mean for ditching you. But a person with NPD would likely show up, give you the biggest gift, and come off as a wonderful partner to everyone in attendance—and then privately say hurtful things when nobody's looking.
Many narcissists have an ingrained need to put other people down in order to feel better about themselves, “and that's the part that gets revealed more slowly,” explains Dr. Weisner. Eventually you might start feeling like you’re walking on eggshells—a sign you might be dealing with narcissistic traits or NPD. “Ultimately these are people that you either feel fantastic around or a little frightened.” This brings us to our next point.
A narcissist takes your lack of worship as an attack, and they’ll respond in kind.
Attempting to match a selfish jerk’s patterns (you stop texting them back, say) or failing to adequately agree with how talented they are may mildly irritate them—or they might not even notice. They’re out for themselves, and what you’re doing doesn’t typically have an enormous effect on that, says Dr. Hirsch. But for a narcissist, these are major triggers that can motivate aggressive and abusive behavior.
“A narcissist is going to try to make you feel all the yucky, unsure, insecure feelings they have on the inside,” according to Dr. Hirsch. If you question their accomplishments or criticize them in any way, even if it’s productive, they take it as a challenge to their self-image. They may perceive your successes, too, as a threat: Let’s say you’re going out in a new outfit that makes you feel amazing and it shows, causing them—consciously or subconsciously—to fear that you’ll outshine them. Suddenly it’s “you dress too cheaply, or you spent way too much money and racked up credit card debt,” Dr. Hirsch says. “When you start thinking, ‘Wow, maybe I really do spend too much or too little,’ you’ve entered what’s called projective identification.”
Essentially, they’re projecting their inner self-hatred onto you in such a sneaky way that you internalize it and feel bad about yourself (so they can feel better)—a form of manipulation that can signify emotional abuse.
A selfish jerk is more likely to respect your boundaries.
Dr. Hirsch and Dr. Weisner say that true narcissists will often react negatively to your boundaries with aggressive behavior, such as insults and argumentativeness, or pressure to accommodate their request. “That typically happens when it feels insulting or aggressive (to them) that you have boundaries that don’t align with their ability to project a certain image of themselves,” Dr. Hirsch says. (Because, again, they care deeply about how others perceive them.)
For example, let’s say your partner gets upset because you were talking to an attractive coworker. A non-narcissist may feel jealous in this situation because they're worried you don't like them as much as they thought. Someone with NPD, on the other hand, might be more focused on the fact that you did it in front of mutual friends, and they think it makes them look weak. If you set a boundary by explaining that they can’t tell you who you can and can’t talk to you, they may lash out and insist that you yield to them—their attempt to regain control of their self-image.
This type of boundary pushing is not only manipulative, it’s also another sign of emotional abuse. If any of the above narcissistic traits sound all too familiar and/or you’re experiencing other hallmarks of an abusive relationship—or someone you love is—Dr. Hirsch and Dr. Weisner advise reaching out for guidance from a neutral third party. For example, you can contact the National Domestic Violence Hotline (NDVH) at 1-800-799-7233 or TTY 1-800-787-3224, text START to 88788, or open an online chat with a trained advocate who can help you identify abusive behaviors and point you toward additional resources, should you need them.
While both Dr. Hirsch and Dr. Weisner say it’s not impossible to have a relationship with someone who has narcissistic tendencies—if they’re willing and able to work on them, that is—abuse is never okay, whether it’s coming from a selfish jerk, someone with NPD, or anyone in between. Ultimately, both therapists agree that when it comes to the other person, labels and diagnoses are less important than your own feelings about whether it’s best for you to keep working on the relationship or to end it and seek out people who treat you right.
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That seems more like a narcissistic coping mechanism.
I'm not the problem, it's everyone else.
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See if they
a) micromanage your problem and tell you how to fix it
b) totally ignore you or fail to listen
c) trivialise it by saying it's not a big deal
d) railroad overtop of you by telling you their problem
e) forget to follow up on it the next time you talk
f) talk about it endlessly on future dates, as a sign of one-dimensional thinking
g) dox your info to others like you're a trophy that they won
h) ask for way more personal information than is appropriate (love-bombing)
If any of the above, be forewarned that they don't have much empathy.
If they start to characterise you by that one issue they aren't seeing the whole you.
Also beware of love-bombers who think you walk on water just for existing.
This gets quoted a lot but I have problems with it.
a. I am forever being told off for trying to fix things when apparently the correct response is to shut up and allow them to vent.
b. Remember hyperfocus?... I'm not ignoring you.... Your interruption just hasn't filtered through yet.
c. Why is it when she does it it's called "conversation", but when I do I'm "arguing the toss"
I'm not trivialising....I'm presenting viewpoints you may not find obvious.
d. I try to avoid this, but I probably do it.
e. What I remember and forget is no longer in my control.
f. Yay!..I can pretty much guarantee I'm not guilty of this. (See e), but I'd like to be capable of doing this a little bit.
g. Are you kidding? Even if I had someone to tell, why would I pass on any information to potential competition? I have enough trouble retaining relationships already.
h. Seems the opposite of love bombing to me. This one I am probably guilty of. I want to crawl inside your head to work out how to make you love me. Even I can recognise inherent creepiness there.
Which leaves me with the concept of love bombing.
I'll admit that someone who intrigues me does tend to scramble a B-52 stuffed full of thermonuclear love munitions... doesn't mean the launch codes are available, and besides, they all go up when I crash and burn anyway.
I've occasionally been accused of low empathy, but it sure as hell doesn't feel like it from this side. I easily get completely knotted feeling someone else's pain...which will prevent me from expressing...well... anything.
My endpoint is... I am very self-centred by quirk and by necessity, but I don't see myself as narcissistic, however I can understand how I could appear that way.
Re: a) That's why you're supposed to choose a small problem, like "I had a disagreement with my neighbour" or "My wifi keeps dropping" - something that warrants a bit of feedback from the other person without it becoming an all-out drama.
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True, but the ones who do exist are attracted to autistic females in particular.
It's proven statistically.
Even narcissistic women like to come at us as targets.
It's a public service for autistic women to know the red flags imo.
That includes covert and malignant narcs, and the forms of sociopathy.
Source: My life with people dx NPD.
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Hell, I'm just trying to avoid narcissists/sociopaths/psychopaths in general. Im too messed up to attempt dating because of them constantly coming out of the woodwork over the past several years and me only now really starting to understand what to look for and how to deal with them
When you really experience a narcissist, sociopath, or psychopath you'll know it. All those dicks and selfish people you may have labeled as such before are suddenly not that bad because you hit the motherload. That's what its like. My cousin who I was close to my whole life has gradually gone down a bad road, hates everything, and its always everyone elses fault, hates basically anyone not white, not NT, and not christian. Insults anything you like that he doesnt, and makes you feel bad for liking it. Etc etc... basically I finally called him out on everything thinking we were close enough to the point where he would listen to me and consider what I had to say.
He did not, he flipped the f**k out, sent paragraphs and paragraphs of text basically insulting me, shaming me, guilt tripping me, saying things like "all the times I stood up for you" "delete my number" "shutup you never knew me."
Even veiled threats, he made up a really bad rumor about me and told all of his side of the family, and that was years ago, didnt know until recently. So basically he was trying to manipulate me any probly other people from years ago. The only good thing out of this is that I will never talk to him again and that I understand my own narcissistic tendencies alot better now and I understand the perspective on the receiving end.
Moral of the story: LEARN TO UNDERSTAND THE DARK TRIAD; NARCISSISM, SOCIAPATHY, AND PSYCHOPATHY, BECAUSE MONSTERS EXIST AND THEY EAT AUTISTIC PEOPLE (FIGURATIVELY)
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You can, and people insisting otherwise can probably be discounted or at least treated with great skepticism.
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