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Xenu
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01 Aug 2010, 2:47 pm

So I just got through watching a typical chick flick movie and then started thinking about all movies like that and then started thinking about real life... And came to this conclusion

Why is it morally required by many for the guy to ask a girl out and pay for everything. Isn't that Sexist by making the guy have to make the effort of possibly embarrassing himself? Or maybe using money to do something he doesn't want to do? I mean if the girl wanted everything why doesn't she take the matters of asking the guy and cost into her own hands?

I personally have no problem with that because if I was on a date I would have no problem with paying or asking the girl out but isn't that possibly our sexist elders feeding that into our mind and indoctrinating that sexism to us a very early age through the media?

Just something I thought I would bring up.



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01 Aug 2010, 2:50 pm

In my experience, I have always initiated dates and relationships. I guess guys are wimpier in my area. Also, movies are full of BS. They love propagating this fairy-tale idea that never happens or ever will. :/



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01 Aug 2010, 3:02 pm

This isn't sexism. It's natural. The female looks beautiful in her vibrant colors and attracts the male. The male then initiates the species' courting ritual. The male also makes the sex happen.

Paying for their meals is also a kind thing to do.



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01 Aug 2010, 3:04 pm

Ferdinand wrote:
This isn't sexism. It's natural. The female looks beautiful in her vibrant colors and attracts the male. The male then initiates the species' courting ritual. The male also makes the sex happen.

Paying for their meals is also a kind thing to do.


Sounds like birds. Only then it tends to be the male who's pretty and colorful. :D



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01 Aug 2010, 3:27 pm

Generally speaking, the obligation to pay for the date goes to whoever's idea it was to go out in the first place. That's USUALLY the man, so he pays. Once you're in an established boyfriend/girlfriend relationship, it should be more of an alternating or going dutch thing, unless one makes considerably more money than the other.


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01 Aug 2010, 3:29 pm

Erisad wrote:
Ferdinand wrote:
This isn't sexism. It's natural. The female looks beautiful in her vibrant colors and attracts the male. The male then initiates the species' courting ritual. The male also makes the sex happen.

Paying for their meals is also a kind thing to do.


Sounds like birds. Only then it tends to be the male who's pretty and colorful. :D


Birds of paradise?

There a funky bird species



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01 Aug 2010, 3:30 pm

If a woman wants to pay for everything thats okay with me. There's nothing I can do if the broad wants to be "feminised". She'll get her way no matter what.



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01 Aug 2010, 3:48 pm

Ferdinand wrote:
This isn't sexism. It's natural. The female looks beautiful in her vibrant colors and attracts the male. The male then initiates the species' courting ritual. The male also makes the sex happen.

Paying for their meals is also a kind thing to do.


No it is not natural, natural = nature aka way of the beast/animals
in my mind it is sexism -

and umm the male makes the sex happen? If that is true, then why do so many males complain about how long before the woman gives in?
and a dozen or so other very rude comments..

True, the male generally initiates the courting - BUT it is almost always the female that says yes or no

Best example is lions (I used it in a post her the other day)

Erisad was really close, not just birds though, most animals have something 'different' between the males and females.

Ferdinand, don't take it personal, I just hate when people say stuff like this in such a general way. Not all females are alike, and not all males are alike.
Like you and I are females (I think you are anyway.. sorry if I am wrong) , that does not mean we are going to have all the same traits and interest
does it?



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01 Aug 2010, 3:51 pm

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Erisad was really close, not just birds though, most animals have something 'different' between the males and females.


What? Ooooooh. Like boy parts and girl parts. :oops:



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01 Aug 2010, 3:54 pm

sacrip wrote:
Generally speaking, the obligation to pay for the date goes to whoever's idea it was to go out in the first place. That's USUALLY the man, so he pays. Once you're in an established boyfriend/girlfriend relationship, it should be more of an alternating or going dutch thing, unless one makes considerably more money than the other.


You are suppose to pay for yourself on a first date these days (considering all things are meant to be equal)

This is a good example of the double standards of some women though, who preach on about wanting everything to be equal but then not wanting to stick to the idea when they are expected to make the effort for something.


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01 Aug 2010, 4:00 pm

Craig28 wrote:
broad.


You're kidding yourself saying you aren't a woman hater. You have no respect. None at all.

OP: I will always offer to pay my share on a date. If the man wants to pay I think its rude to decline, but I will always get my wallet out first.



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01 Aug 2010, 4:04 pm

Surya wrote:
No it is not natural, natural = nature aka way of the beast/animals


We are animals though, hence instinct.

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and umm the male makes the sex happen? If that is true, then why do so many males complain about how long before the woman gives in?


I am sorry. I should have been more clear, and it's my mistake. Males have a penis which goes into a female. Females are generally submissive in this case.

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True, the male generally initiates the courting - BUT it is almost always the female that says yes or no


Of course. The girl chooses the guy after attracting some.[/quote]

Surya wrote:
Ferdinand, don't take it personal, I just hate when people say stuff like this in such a general way. Not all females are alike, and not all males are alike.
Like you and I are females (I think you are anyway.. sorry if I am wrong) , that does not mean we are going to have all the same traits and interest
does it?


I have a penis, alas. However, instinct has nothing to do with personality. I don't know why you think I am insinuating anything otherwise. And, I value your opinion because it makes sense.



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01 Aug 2010, 4:05 pm

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If the man wants to pay I think its rude to decline, but I will always get my wallet out first.


Thank you! I do not like when women get offended by a man if he's trying to be nice.



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01 Aug 2010, 4:10 pm

hale_bopp wrote:
Craig28 wrote:
broad.


You're kidding yourself saying you aren't a woman hater. You have no respect. None at all.


Its better then calling her something much worse. Besides, men call women different types of names from whatever background they originate from. As you can see, "broads" come from certain sectors of "street life". I wonder where you've heard the word "broad" before? It goes with the saying "Do not ask me about my business".



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01 Aug 2010, 4:10 pm

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Why is it morally required by many for the guy to ask a girl out and pay for everything. Isn't that Sexist by making the guy have to make the effort of possibly embarrassing himself?



Its not morally required, but it is a societal custom. I reject paying for a strangers meal out on pure principal. If the girl has issues with it, she is history. I've met lots of girls with issues related to this. The day girls stop crying about the inequitys of the "male society", that day we'll have equality. Seriously, make the wages equal so we can drop this BS tradition that should have died with chivalry. Same goes for crap like "All men are responsible to take care for womens offspring" - Not bloody likely!

There are lots more issues with female to male equality that needs to me solved, and it wont cost the women a damn cent, all they have to do is change their opinions = another speculation of the probability of ice-crystallised precipitation in hell.

Yeah, you heard me, i'm a man and i want MY equality - deal with it!


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01 Aug 2010, 4:13 pm

Daemonic-Jackal wrote:
sacrip wrote:
Generally speaking, the obligation to pay for the date goes to whoever's idea it was to go out in the first place. That's USUALLY the man, so he pays. Once you're in an established boyfriend/girlfriend relationship, it should be more of an alternating or going dutch thing, unless one makes considerably more money than the other.


You are suppose to pay for yourself on a first date these days (considering all things are meant to be equal)

This is a good example of the double standards of some women though, who preach on about wanting everything to be equal but then not wanting to stick to the idea when they are expected to make the effort for something.


I offered to pay for myself on a first date once and he insisted to pay for me. Does that mean I'm not for equal rights just because I let him pay? No. I had no job where he did. Don't be hatin' on the feminists sir. We're not all hypocrites. :/