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Aharon
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28 Dec 2011, 11:21 am

How well do you fulfill your spouses/partners needs? I'm married and I'd say on a scale of 1 to 10, 1 equalling looking for a rope and 10 equalling hovering 3 inches off the ground in harmonious bliss, my wife is a 2.


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28 Dec 2011, 11:49 am

For whom is the rope?



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28 Dec 2011, 11:52 am

I'd say being driven to murder or suicide would both classify as a 1.


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28 Dec 2011, 11:57 am

Most of my long term partners seemed unhappy most of the time. I have no doubt that I somehow contributed to this, but it is not my role in life to overcompensate for the misery of others.

Funny that if you are with the right person you can be happy with each other, and work together to improve other aspects of each other's lives. Some people persist with what doesn't work though...sometimes because they believe that "relationships need effort", so bash their heads against a wall trying to make it work...or they figure that somebody is better than nobody. Right or wrong? I don't make the distinction. Sometimes we are as happy as we allow ourselves to be...



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28 Dec 2011, 12:22 pm

Sorry to hear you are currently in the desert, marriage is like that, sometime even, sometimes wonderful and sometimes extremely unbearable. If you are feeling so bad imagine how she feels? Just wondering....Not to say sometimes you have to cut your losses and get out. And to get all advice columnist, ask yourself, "Am I better off with her or without her?"

Meanwhile, from a blog, a timely topic, "Working on Your Asperger-Neurotypical Relationship", link to this "Life With Aspergers" website on the bottom of this post:

This may not fit the OP exactly but the writer has some good suggestions:

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Working on Your Asperger-Neurotypical Relationship - Part 1 Talking

Over the years I've written quite a bit about AS/NT relationships. I've written about accepting your aspergers partner for who they are and how to reach them in the relationship.


I guess that it's all been a bit one-sided but today I'm starting a series which might rectify the balance. These posts is directed at people with Asperger's syndrome and are about being the best partner that you can be.

All relationships need work. They're not "fire and forget". You can't simply say, ok we've ticked the boxes; we're married, we have a house and we have kids. That's not where the work ends.

There's a saying from Marriage Encounters which I like to repeat. "Sometimes I love my partner -- and sometimes I have to work harder at it",

Life is all about change. As aspies we often don't like change but we're powerless to stop it. Like it or not, people change and situations change. In order to adapt to these changes, we too need to change.

We may have loved our partner because among other things, she shared our love of Star Wars but that was twenty years ago. As aspies, we often retain our special interests for life but our neurotypical partners do not. We have to accept that these things change and conversations which were once interesting to them are now considered "boring".

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It took me years to learn that my wife no longer loved movies. She didn't care who the director was or what else they were working on. For her, a movie at the cinemas is an "escape" from the rigurs of daily life and kids. No matter how good the movie was, she does not want to talk about it afterwards.

Of course, that's all I want to do after a film and our rides home were probably torture for her. It didn't help when she told me to stop talking about it either because she'd mostly use fake excuses like; "I have a headache". "Oh, Ok", I thought, "I'll save this interesting diatribe for some time when she's feeling better".

It was a long time before she was honest with me about her reasons and even then I'd get it wrong thinking that she didn't want to talk about that specific movie. After all, when her words were; "I don't want to talk about the movie!" what else can I think?

When it finally sunk in, I said "well, you talk then and I'll listen", probably quite snappily. She didn't talk though because she claimed to be busy driving and our conversation dropped into awkward silence which was only broken about ten minutes later with her saying; "so what? are you not talking to me now or what?"

I was confused. On the one hand, she wants me to talk about something but on the other, it needs to be things directly related to her - and outside the realm of my special interest.

Instead of a wall of talk, I need to be more give and take. I need to guess something that she wants to talk about and ask questions.

It's not easy. I'll ask about the kids or family or budget but I'm often met with "oh, so now you want to talk about it .... after I've been doing it for years....". Obviously they're not the right conversations either.

It seemed that there was no easy answer but apparently there is.

You're supposed to talk about "us". When you're out as a couple, the conversation should be about "us". The questions you need to ask are;

How are you feeling?
How was your day?
Is there anything that I can do to help?
What do you need from me?
Are you happy in this relationship?
How do you feel our relationship is going? (don't ask this one while she's driving).


Once she picks herself up off the floor and answers you, you need to think about the answer she's given you and try to find a way to work at delivering it. Also, don't be surprised if you get asked the same question back - be prepared to give an answer.

In my case, the answer was; "I want to be appreciated more" ... and I guess that's the topic of my next post.

In the meantime, if you're an aspie, then your homework is to ask your partner one of those questions. Also... If you're a female aspie, I'm keen to know if your partners have similar needs or if they're just happy to talk about special interests?


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28 Dec 2011, 12:23 pm

I'mafraidtoask.



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28 Dec 2011, 12:29 pm

She's very happy with the relationship. I'm perfect as far as she's concerned. Not sure how that rates on your scale. Maybe 8-9, if 10 is pure bliss.

Me? :( I'm beginning to have doubts about this. I have myself to think about and unfortunately I don't think this would work in the long term.



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28 Dec 2011, 12:36 pm

And do not forget it is December, holidays, forced cheer, presents all that stuff piled on top of a bad situation can make things look a thousand times worse.

Since you mention suicide and murder, please consider anti-depressants. When you need them, they are a God send, like hey who turned on the lights? Because you sound very grimly depressed and frustrated.

And yeah, if you can find a decent therapist, and your spouse agrees to go, it might help, if she refuses to go, well that is significant in itself. You also mentioned church, do you like/trust your pastor? Do they offer family counseling?

I read your earlier posts and you earnestly seem to want to improve your marriage. It is unfortunate that your wife does not seem to trust your promises. I once read an article on marriage that said 'be kind and be generous' is a phrase that stuck in my mind, to your partner.

Something is hard to remember at times!

Good luck.



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28 Dec 2011, 1:14 pm

Oh I'm not a 1. I was just describing the scale. I'd see my wife as a 2: me, more like a 5. And i'd be a ten if she was simply happy with me. And yeah it's terrible she doesn't trust me, but I also understand I broke that trust over a period of years, and trust is a hard thing to regain. I'm too determined to just give up though. I think I can do this.


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28 Dec 2011, 1:28 pm

i am not sure how i would know. my Theory of Mind issues mean i would be guessing.


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28 Dec 2011, 2:32 pm

Imma gonna go find out.

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28 Dec 2011, 4:11 pm

9 to 10.

me, lately a 2 to 3ish


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28 Dec 2011, 4:55 pm

Well sometimes I read too fast and post too fast. Glad to know the OP is not feeling suicidal or murderous.

Here is a very long article on Married (Happily) with Issues:



nytimes.com

The author covers the waterfront on marriage issues, and she was diligent, so read if you want to, one quote:

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A word here about psychoanalytic reasoning: I’ve never been a big fan. I’ve long favored the fake-it-till-you-make-it approach to life. Why turn over the rocks of your history just to see what’s underneath? In marriage therapy, this fear makes particular sense, because the therapy carries not only the threat of learning things about yourself that you might prefer not to know but also the hazard of saying things to your spouse that are better left unsaid, as well as hearing things from your spouse that you might prefer not to hear. Some in the field are outwardly critical of most marriage therapy; among them is William J. Doherty, a psychologist and the director of the Marriage and Family Therapy Program at the University of Minnesota, who writes, “If you talk to a therapist in the United States about problems in your marriage, I believe that you stand a good risk of harming your marriage.” The science behind marital counseling is also less precise than you might imagine. In clinical trials, among the most effective protocols is Integrative Behavioral Couple Therapy, an unabashed mash-up of two schools of thought. Couples work on “change-oriented strategies,” trying to find ways to remedy each other’s complaints. They also do “acceptance work,” trying to learn to love the relationships as is.



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28 Dec 2011, 5:29 pm

My boyfriend says I make him happy, but I can't imagine how that's true.


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28 Dec 2011, 5:32 pm

8-9, I dare to say.



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28 Dec 2011, 5:40 pm

My iphone is very happy.