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14 Jun 2013, 5:49 pm

I have what may be a very rare problem. I have loved someone for nearly 5 years who doesn't like me and I have come to a semi-rational judgement that I may end up loving her for the rest of my life or at least for a very lengthy period of time. In this instance, I am not trying to find out how to get over her because I find very difficult/impossible to do so because I am so mentally fragile. Rather, I would like to know if it would be acceptable to try and sway her one last time or if that is wrong and I should just shut up about it? Please don't be critical of me because this has really taken a lot of the happiness out of my life. This thread can be closed/deleted by mods if it is too controversial or laughable



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14 Jun 2013, 7:36 pm

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I would like to know if it would be acceptable to try and sway her one last time or if that is wrong and I should just shut up about it?

It's probably wrong to do that. You want to act on your feelings. Apparently she has expressed her feelings about getting closer to you. In approaching her yet again you will be putting her in the position of having to reject you again. Rejecting advances is painful for both parties. If you love her, act like you care enough to not want to cause her distress.

The gracious thing to do is leave her alone.



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14 Jun 2013, 8:42 pm

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I have what may be a very rare problem. I have loved someone for nearly 5 years who doesn't like me and I have come to a semi-rational judgement that I may end up loving her for the rest of my life or at least for a very lengthy period of time. In this instance, I am not trying to find out how to get over her because I find very difficult/impossible to do so because I am so mentally fragile. Rather, I would like to know if it would be acceptable to try and sway her one last time or if that is wrong and I should just shut up about it? Please don't be critical of me because this has really taken a lot of the happiness out of my life. This thread can be closed/deleted by mods if it is too controversial or laughable

    It probably wont help, but this is not even a little bit rare.
    You're not even a little bit alone here -figuratively speaking. =)

    I don't know what exactly 'mentally fragile' means, but there is no version of it -that I can imagine- that women would find attractive
    So you'll have to either toughen that up a bit, or hide it well. Or reframe it. Before many women will swoon over the rest of your personality. =)


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14 Jun 2013, 10:18 pm

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I have what may be a very rare problem. I have loved someone for nearly 5 years who doesn't like me and I have come to a semi-rational judgement that I may end up loving her for the rest of my life or at least for a very lengthy period of time. In this instance, I am not trying to find out how to get over her because I find very difficult/impossible to do so because I am so mentally fragile. Rather, I would like to know if it would be acceptable to try and sway her one last time or if that is wrong and I should just shut up about it? Please don't be critical of me because this has really taken a lot of the happiness out of my life. This thread can be closed/deleted by mods if it is too controversial or laughable


If she has told you that (bolded) in no uncertain terms then you need to accept the fact she won't be with you and move on.



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14 Jun 2013, 10:46 pm

Young man, you are soon about to learn that no amount of chasing is ever going to make a women want to be with you... even after five years of doing it. It's not going to wear her down and being with her is not going to make her happy. If anything, it has worn you down and you need to find a way to get your energy back.



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14 Jun 2013, 11:03 pm

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Rather, I would like to know if it would be acceptable to try and sway her one last time or if that is wrong and I should just shut up about it?


Mate, I've been in the same situation as you before, and trust me it's not the right thing to do. You'll be worn down about it and loose perspective.

I'd suggest maybe taking up a hobby or occupy yourself with other things in order to stop worrying about it



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15 Jun 2013, 2:29 am

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Rather, I would like to know if it would be acceptable to try and sway her one last time or if that is wrong and I should just shut up about it?


You did not include any details. However, I have been the "chased". It was mentally exhausting, upsetting and irritating to not have my "no, thank you" respected. To try and sway the woman/girl in question, you are putting your own feelings and your own happiness before hers. That is very unattractive in itself.

I also do not think you ought to be calling yourself fragile. Words have power. Instead of focusing on the person of your desire, you should work on seeing yourself in a new perspective. You are clearly not fragile, you have made it thus far in life. You are doing better than you think. A single person is not the answer to end loneliness or emotional pain.

She cannot be the right person for you, due to one simple fact: She does not feel that way about you. The right person will reciprocate your feelings.



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15 Jun 2013, 3:38 am

It's a common problem for people with AS to develop a romantic fixation on one person that can last years and feel unable to move on, even if the feelings are never reciprocated. I think this is related to obsessional thinking, special interests, that sort of thing. It's really unhealthy to develop fixations like this and will only cause you pain until you are able to move forward with your life and let go of the love obsession. I used to have this problem quite badly, I once developed a fixation that lasted 7 years, and another fixation that lasted 5 years (neither of which were reciprocated). I would be madly in love with the person (or the construct of that person inside my head - as with unrequited love you're not really in love with the actual person but the image of who you want that person to be; if the person was really that ideal partner for you that you perceive them to be then they would love you back) and be quite unable to let go or develop attraction towards any other people.

My advice to you is to firstly make a conscious decision to move forward with your life and open yourself up to loving someone new, and secondly to try and avoid seeing the person you've developed the attachment to for a period of time - I've found that can help with the process of letting go. Give yourself space and time away from the obsession.


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15 Jun 2013, 7:31 am

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It's a common problem for people with AS to develop a romantic fixation on one person that can last years and feel unable to move on, even if the feelings are never reciprocated. I think this is related to obsessional thinking, special interests, that sort of thing. It's really unhealthy to develop fixations like this and will only cause you pain until you are able to move forward with your life and let go of the love obsession. I used to have this problem quite badly, I once developed a fixation that lasted 7 years, and another fixation that lasted 5 years (neither of which were reciprocated). I would be madly in love with the person (or the construct of that person inside my head - as with unrequited love you're not really in love with the actual person but the image of who you want that person to be; if the person was really that ideal partner for you that you perceive them to be then they would love you back) and be quite unable to let go or develop attraction towards any other people.

My advice to you is to firstly make a conscious decision to move forward with your life and open yourself up to loving someone new, and secondly to try and avoid seeing the person you've developed the attachment to for a period of time - I've found that can help with the process of letting go. Give yourself space and time away from the obsession.


I've avoided her for two years and nothing. I just want one chance and she can walk away whenever she wants. I don't think that's a lot to ask for over 5 years but I understand the opinion of she doesn't have to if she doesn't want to



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15 Jun 2013, 8:01 am

Retrohead wrote:
sunshower wrote:
It's a common problem for people with AS to develop a romantic fixation on one person that can last years and feel unable to move on, even if the feelings are never reciprocated. I think this is related to obsessional thinking, special interests, that sort of thing. It's really unhealthy to develop fixations like this and will only cause you pain until you are able to move forward with your life and let go of the love obsession. I used to have this problem quite badly, I once developed a fixation that lasted 7 years, and another fixation that lasted 5 years (neither of which were reciprocated). I would be madly in love with the person (or the construct of that person inside my head - as with unrequited love you're not really in love with the actual person but the image of who you want that person to be; if the person was really that ideal partner for you that you perceive them to be then they would love you back) and be quite unable to let go or develop attraction towards any other people.

My advice to you is to firstly make a conscious decision to move forward with your life and open yourself up to loving someone new, and secondly to try and avoid seeing the person you've developed the attachment to for a period of time - I've found that can help with the process of letting go. Give yourself space and time away from the obsession.


I've avoided her for two years and nothing. I just want one chance and she can walk away whenever she wants. I don't think that's a lot to ask for over 5 years but I understand the opinion of she doesn't have to if she doesn't want to


It's not easy to let go. If you have already tried to ask her out and she has turned you down generally the right thing to do is walk away, and it's best for you too because otherwise you could be missing many failed opportunities.

I don't know if this helps, but I when I discussed love obsessions with my most recent psychiatrist (he said they're quite common in people on the spectrum), he said that they were unhealthy and not a good basis for a relationship. He said the best way to approach a relationship is to give different people a chance by getting to know them better and seeing if feelings develop.


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15 Jun 2013, 8:32 am

It's not easy to let go. If you have already tried to ask her out and she has turned you down generally the right thing to do is walk away, and it's best for you too because otherwise you could be missing many failed opportunities.

I don't know if this helps, but I when I discussed love obsessions with my most recent psychiatrist (he said they're quite common in people on the spectrum), he said that they were unhealthy and not a good basis for a relationship. He said the best way to approach a relationship is to give different people a chance by getting to know them better and seeing if feelings develop.[/quote]

lol I tried talking to other girls but they just want me as friends! I probably need girls to think I can improve in a lot of areas, but it seems their unwilling to be more positive than negative about what I will be like as a boyfriend, which is always different to just being a friend



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16 Jun 2013, 3:36 am

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lol I tried talking to other girls but they just want me as friends! I probably need girls to think I can improve in a lot of areas, but it seems their unwilling to be more positive than negative about what I will be like as a boyfriend, which is always different to just being a friend


No one should enter in to a relationship with the belief that the other person will change or improve. They are perfectly reasonable not to assume this. Also, I do suspect your idea of relationships, love and romance is a bit too thought-based. For most it is a case of "you either feel it or you don't".



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16 Jun 2013, 5:37 am

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I have what may be a very rare problem. I have loved someone for nearly 5 years who doesn't like me and I have come to a semi-rational judgement that I may end up loving her for the rest of my life or at least for a very lengthy period of time. In this instance, I am not trying to find out how to get over her because I find very difficult/impossible to do so because I am so mentally fragile. Rather, I would like to know if it would be acceptable to try and sway her one last time or if that is wrong and I should just shut up about it? Please don't be critical of me because this has really taken a lot of the happiness out of my life. This thread can be closed/deleted by mods if it is too controversial or laughable


Personally, I wouldn't make another attempt. It's gonna be painful for both you and her. Watch at other women or even other interests, and see life can be good liking another and/or having so much energy left for other interesting things. Ofcourse this won't happen today or tomorrow. But eventually, it will happen!

And hey, I had a major crush on a girl for like 8-10 years. In elementary school :D 20 years later I still think sometimes about her. In a 'normal' way, she was big part (in my childhood) of my life after all.

Also don't think this is a typical Asperger/autism thingy (as someone else said), humans can be very jealous during relationships. And females/males can be both blinded by love.



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16 Jun 2013, 7:44 am

No one should enter in to a relationship with the belief that the other person will change or improve. They are perfectly reasonable not to assume this. Also, I do suspect your idea of relationships, love and romance is a bit too thought-based. For most it is a case of "you either feel it or you don't".[/quote]

So if I come across as being boring and not having anything to say, people can assume this will not change? If anything, I would talk like I've never talked before, because I would be fearful of the consequences if I was not charismatic enough. Surely the assumption is I will try harder because I have more to lose?



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16 Jun 2013, 9:49 am

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So if I come across as being boring and not having anything to say, people can assume this will not change? If anything, I would talk like I've never talked before, because I would be fearful of the consequences if I was not charismatic enough. Surely the assumption is I will try harder because I have more to lose?


I would find anything to talk about. Something that interests you, yes. Try and keep the interests conversations to a minimum of 2 minutes, and the others will ask you about these interests if they enjoy what they are hearing. People do like intelligent conversation from time to time, just not when it's forced on them. Ask them questions about what they do and what they enjoy doing. Find out where they're from, if they have travelled, what their favourite things are, etc. A person that is interested in having a conversation with you at least will ask you questions about yourself. You just have to answer the questions appropriately.

Some girls don't like putting themselves out there before the man does. You will have to find a way that feels natural to you in opening up a conversation with someone.



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16 Jun 2013, 10:05 am

I would find anything to talk about. Something that interests you, yes. Try and keep the interests conversations to a minimum of 2 minutes, and the others will ask you about these interests if they enjoy what they are hearing. People do like intelligent conversation from time to time, just not when it's forced on them. Ask them questions about what they do and what they enjoy doing. Find out where they're from, if they have travelled, what their favourite things are, etc. A person that is interested in having a conversation with you at least will ask you questions about yourself. You just have to answer the questions appropriately.

Some girls don't like putting themselves out there before the man does. You will have to find a way that feels natural to you in opening up a conversation with someone.[/quote]

Thanks for the advice, but I feel comfortable in my ability to talk with any girl. It's getting on a date in the first place that's the hard part!