How to meet someone
Hi,
I'm late 30s and have never been on a date at all. I don't want to sound bitter here, it's just how my life has worked out, partly by choice, but also not really a choice. I've heard all the clichés - 'you're still young, it'll happen when happens, get out of your comfort zone' and more besides. Just drivel.
I'm pretty horrified at the prospect of reaching my 40s without any experience. My sense is if I do I'll want to hurt myself in some way, I already have experience of that from several years ago and it's how I came to be diagnosed with AS.
I'm only 3 dating apps, I think about 70% of what's on there is rubbish. So many blank profiles. I know with the lockdown it's a really weird time to consider online dating. I'm talking to someone now on POF. I don't think she's really my type, the messages have all been fine, pleasant. The apps are very addictive and it's frustrating not being able to see who likes you unless you cough up money which so far I'm not going to.
Last year was my first experience of asking someone out and it was without doubt the hardest thing I've ever done. We had built up a connection in real life (running) and I found her to be very kind, encouraging and approachable. I said that straight to her face some months before ask her out, and it was appreciated. I was little rattled when I did ask her out that she's with someone. It knocked me back a bit because it took so much mental energy to actually ask her after about 18 months of speaking to her. It was hard to see her running in the weeks and months after and the outcome was not her fault, or mine. I've had other opportunities to ask people in the past (not many), but never did.
It's hard to say whether I've friends or not as I've not seen them in a few years. My main hobby is running. I can appear quite social, but don't really integrate well and find it hard to make the leap to start a friendship.
My psychologist is familiar with all of the above and more. She said I've nothing to apologise for in asking the woman out and I know that. I'm so embarrassed of my lack of experience, it drives a lot of self-hate. Thanks for reading if you got this far.
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If I was asked out and couldn’t go out with them for whatever reason, I’d feel flattered. I know it’s embarrassing but I’m very sure she doesn’t feel that way. And you did a really brave thing! That’s really good. Sometimes things are hard but that doesn’t mean we should stop. (:
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It is hard. Have you been approached/asked out?
Thank you for saying this. My psychologist said something similar - that someone might feel complimented from having been asked out. And the bravery thing, psych said that too, as did my sister. And it wasn't a rejection, just circumstantial and nothing to do with me.
I should add when I did it it was 11am and I was sober. We were walking next to each other, so not much eye contact that may have been a little easier for us both, rather than just rocking up and saying hey. I asked if she'd ever like to do something away from running, then learned she's not single. Obviously I knew enough not to ask for her number and wouldn't do so. I'd imagine she had no idea I liked her, she was definitely surprised. We had a good chat in January (I asked her in Nov) and it was fine, we still got along well. Haven't spoke to her since and then the lockdown hit. My psych says not to avoid her as it'll make me feel worse. It's hard, though, as this is all new to me. If I do see her I'd happy to speak to her about family, lockdown, if she still has a job and everything.
Anyway, I've wanted to ask others out (who were clearly single) in the past, but had such huge a mental block and in this instance I still beat myself up a little over the outcome, even though doing so is illogical, and, as my psych says, I did nothing wrong. Seeing pics of her is hard, we can't help who we're attracted to.
And I think sometimes one or two women have tried to ask me out, but I didn't really recognise it at the time, d'oh.
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I know what you mean. I feel like I am the queen of unrequited love. I either love them and they don't love me, or I love then and they don't love me. Yes, i said that twice. I have even grown tired of trying. I was married at one time even. Ten years ago we divorced. He was the first person that suspected aspergers. we are still friends, and he trusts me to cat-sit for him every once in a while. I just feel like there is something wrong with me.
Its been hard to meet people lately.. I have just felt so weird and different from everyone else. I just tend to immerse myself into work a lot and call it good, but i am lonely. My only close friend is a guy who is a strange fellow as well. We dated for a while, but we were better off as friends, so we stayed friends. He was the second person to suspect aspergers in me.
I would ideally would just love to meet someone who was loving and supportive. 'neurotypical' or not. I sometimes fear relationships, because i am afraid of becoming obsessive, or being controlled.
Here are my thoughts based on my experience (doing dating apps with discouraging results until finally meeting my wife on Zoosk). Most of the people on there won't respond, no matter how much thought you put into your messages. Of the ones that do, because you contacted them first, there's a much higher chance that they won't reciprocate (compared to cases where they came to you first). In some ways, it makes more sense to wait for others to come to us (which is often what women do on these). It can be hard because most of the attractive women out there are just waiting for men to come to them, so you'll feel that's what you're supposed to do. FWIW the woman I ended up marrying was one of those women who reached out to me first (and I was literally the first person she talked to on a dating site). During that time, I had a nice picture of myself smiling as a profile pic, also it was a full body picture taken outside by someone else (which I think helps). Now keep in mind you'll receive many messages from women you just aren't interested in as well (what women have to deal with a lot of the time). But it's a good screening process, since at least you know they're interested, and that's more than half the work right there. I would recommend reaching out to women of course, but there's something to be said for waiting to see what comes your way as well.
The goal here is to get you a date that you think could possibly work out. There's a good chance the first one will go nowhere -- or worse, you'll miss each other entirely (due to some mixup or something, it can happen). If you think there's absolutely no chance (like you know you could never be romantic with this person), then probably you shouldn't bother. It's easier to gauge the likelihood of you guys hitting it off if you already know they're basically interested. If you think there's some chance it could work, I'd say go through with it. Dates are challenging and they make us nervous, moreso if you're inexperienced. It's actually impossible to know if it could work out, without a first and sometimes a second or third date (or even more) date. When I met my wife, I was pretty skeptical by that point. But I was quickly able to gauge our "chemistry" based on the last several dates I had, which were of varying degrees of success.
In 4.5 years I only had a grand total of 5 dates (with 3 women) before I met my wife, and none of them went anywhere substantial (beyond a handshake or a hug). I sent out dozens and dozens of messages to women, maybe into the hundreds. The vast majority did not get back to me. I had quite a few women I talked to online for a while, and came close to setting up a date with, but just never quite got there. Lots of women hit on me who I just had no attraction to. I found it was hard to truly set something up with someone who I thought it might work out with. Talking online etc is one thing but to move to dating mode takes some confidence, trust, assertiveness, patience, etc from both parties. What I discovered is that the specifics of the date do not really matter. What matters is whether you're right for each other. All you need is to get the two of you in the same place at the same time with some time set aside to talk and so forth, and see what happens. If you're good for each other it'll work out, if not, it won't.
Also, it's really best if you can just afford to pay for the basic subscription on these sites. Not the one that gives you all the extra stuff, but not the free one either. The free ones make it really hard to actually get what you need which is communication etc.
Its been hard to meet people lately.. I have just felt so weird and different from everyone else. I just tend to immerse myself into work a lot and call it good, but i am lonely. My only close friend is a guy who is a strange fellow as well. We dated for a while, but we were better off as friends, so we stayed friends. He was the second person to suspect aspergers in me.
I would ideally would just love to meet someone who was loving and supportive. 'neurotypical' or not. I sometimes fear relationships, because i am afraid of becoming obsessive, or being controlled.
Presumably, you are female?
I guess the married 10 years thing gave it away.
But, I am not sure how long same-sex marriage has been in existence, in different areas of the world.
There is a lot of gender diversity on this website, hence my reason for asking.
I'm late 30s and have never been on a date at all. I don't want to sound bitter here, it's just how my life has worked out, partly by choice, but also not really a choice. I've heard all the clichés - 'you're still young, it'll happen when happens, get out of your comfort zone' and more besides. Just drivel.
I'm pretty horrified at the prospect of reaching my 40s without any experience. My sense is if I do I'll want to hurt myself in some way, I already have experience of that from several years ago and it's how I came to be diagnosed with AS.
I'm only 3 dating apps, I think about 70% of what's on there is rubbish. So many blank profiles. I know with the lockdown it's a really weird time to consider online dating. I'm talking to someone now on POF. I don't think she's really my type, the messages have all been fine, pleasant. The apps are very addictive and it's frustrating not being able to see who likes you unless you cough up money which so far I'm not going to.
Last year was my first experience of asking someone out and it was without doubt the hardest thing I've ever done. We had built up a connection in real life (running) and I found her to be very kind, encouraging and approachable. I said that straight to her face some months before ask her out, and it was appreciated. I was little rattled when I did ask her out that she's with someone. It knocked me back a bit because it took so much mental energy to actually ask her after about 18 months of speaking to her. It was hard to see her running in the weeks and months after and the outcome was not her fault, or mine. I've had other opportunities to ask people in the past (not many), but never did.
It's hard to say whether I've friends or not as I've not seen them in a few years. My main hobby is running. I can appear quite social, but don't really integrate well and find it hard to make the leap to start a friendship.
My psychologist is familiar with all of the above and more. She said I've nothing to apologise for in asking the woman out and I know that. I'm so embarrassed of my lack of experience, it drives a lot of self-hate. Thanks for reading if you got this far.
A running club isn't a place where motivated women go to find a date, though there are must be some. Ask if the women are single before asking them out maybe. I don't think people directly ask someone out, it is more of an invitation to a mutual activity, like an event you are attending asking if she wants to come along.
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I am totally against the idea that the guy should “brave up” to ask out women he likes (only to be make fool of himself) unless the guy is drop dead gorgeous and almost guaranteed; and no, not all women feel flattered about it btw; some women react badly to asking out out of blue, and make a scene about it.
Actually, this usually never how relationships start in real life; what often happens in real life: The woman chases the man and make it so clear (via her behavior) that she likes the guy, .... I did a whole thread about this.
To the point that it would leave no shred of doubt in him about her feelings. At this point the guy may “ask out” the lady to something but it comes out natural. It is a totally different scenario, the guy is already selected.
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Basement, this woman that you wasted 18 months for just to ask her out:
- Did she frequently initiate texting with you (if any)?
- Did she ever introduce you to her close friends?
- Did she ever wanted you to accompany her to social events?
- In an outing, did she often choose to sit next to you?
- Did she ever invite you to something?
- Did she ever flirt you?
I have a feeling it will be a No for all these questions.
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Hi all,
Me an a friend of mine want to make a dating app for people with autism. We both have family and friends with autism and know it is hard for them to find a partner or even find a date.
We Know a lot of sites have failed, and we know some of the reasons why. We feel there isn’t a site that has took everything into consideration to make things a lot better, easier, successful for people to meet their special someone in this world.
We want to try a new approach to try and make life a lot easier to find love. We want to cover every basis of what the site should or shouldn’t have for its users.
We know it has to be something totally different, something people can use with ease, with confidence, a place to not just find a new partner, but new friends.
Maybe have group chats on the app? Quizzes on certain subjects? Something that gets you talking with others and gets you to know other people a little so if you do feel that you like them it might give you a little bit more confidence to start a private chat with them?
We would like to hear other peoples thoughts on this and ideas.
What do you think a dating app for people with autism should or shouldn’t have?
Thanks
Me an a friend of mine want to make a dating app for people with autism. We both have family and friends with autism and know it is hard for them to find a partner or even find a date.
We Know a lot of sites have failed, and we know some of the reasons why. We feel there isn’t a site that has took everything into consideration to make things a lot better, easier, successful for people to meet their special someone in this world.
We want to try a new approach to try and make life a lot easier to find love. We want to cover every basis of what the site should or shouldn’t have for its users.
We know it has to be something totally different, something people can use with ease, with confidence, a place to not just find a new partner, but new friends.
Maybe have group chats on the app? Quizzes on certain subjects? Something that gets you talking with others and gets you to know other people a little so if you do feel that you like them it might give you a little bit more confidence to start a private chat with them?
We would like to hear other peoples thoughts on this and ideas.
What do you think a dating app for people with autism should or shouldn’t have?
Thanks
Dating apps do not work very well for normal people, but for people with autism, they won't work even more. It's like making a dating app for serial killers or unemployed people. Nobody wants that.
I am totally against the idea that the guy should “brave up” to ask out women he likes (only to be make fool of himself) unless the guy is drop dead gorgeous and almost guaranteed; and no, not all women feel flattered about it btw; some women react badly to asking out out of blue, and make a scene about it.
Actually, this usually never how relationships start in real life; what often happens in real life: The woman chases the man and make it so clear (via her behavior) that she likes the guy, .... I did a whole thread about this.
To the point that it would leave no shred of doubt in him about her feelings. At this point the guy may “ask out” the lady to something but it comes out natural. It is a totally different scenario, the guy is already selected.
I agree! A neurotypical would be tactful and careful before asking a woman out. He would perhaps first look at how she looks while talking to him and consider if they are compatible. An asperger's man would be direct and miss out on all the tactful things a normal person would do in preparation, and it would blow back in the asperger man's face, unless the woman was already in the man. It's a very dangerous thing to do for an asperger man, and most women will not be flattered when a weird or awkward man asks them out. They may say so online, but in real life, they will avoid the man in the future, gossip about him in a bad way, call the police, complain to HR, or fear for their safety!
Me an a friend of mine want to make a dating app for people with autism. We both have family and friends with autism and know it is hard for them to find a partner or even find a date.
We Know a lot of sites have failed, and we know some of the reasons why. We feel there isn’t a site that has took everything into consideration to make things a lot better, easier, successful for people to meet their special someone in this world.
We want to try a new approach to try and make life a lot easier to find love. We want to cover every basis of what the site should or shouldn’t have for its users.
We know it has to be something totally different, something people can use with ease, with confidence, a place to not just find a new partner, but new friends.
Maybe have group chats on the app? Quizzes on certain subjects? Something that gets you talking with others and gets you to know other people a little so if you do feel that you like them it might give you a little bit more confidence to start a private chat with them?
We would like to hear other peoples thoughts on this and ideas.
What do you think a dating app for people with autism should or shouldn’t have?
Thanks
The first thing you need to know before even considering this is how natural ND/autistic relationships work and how they can form. Without that, you cannot succeed.
There is one very important thing about the natural courtship process that makes dating apps extremely bad for NDs, and it is that they need to be physically close to form connections. It won't work with texting or video calls. They must be physically close. The next thing is that NDs prefer "distance stuff", and not direct talking or socializing, and connections tend to get stronger if they are formed at a "distance" (dating actually can kill the connection completely). I think this can be arranged by creating loosely coupled interest groups.
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Me an a friend of mine want to make a dating app for people with autism. We both have family and friends with autism and know it is hard for them to find a partner or even find a date.
We Know a lot of sites have failed, and we know some of the reasons why. We feel there isn’t a site that has took everything into consideration to make things a lot better, easier, successful for people to meet their special someone in this world.
We want to try a new approach to try and make life a lot easier to find love. We want to cover every basis of what the site should or shouldn’t have for its users.
We know it has to be something totally different, something people can use with ease, with confidence, a place to not just find a new partner, but new friends.
Maybe have group chats on the app? Quizzes on certain subjects? Something that gets you talking with others and gets you to know other people a little so if you do feel that you like them it might give you a little bit more confidence to start a private chat with them?
We would like to hear other peoples thoughts on this and ideas.
What do you think a dating app for people with autism should or shouldn’t have?
Thanks
The first thing you need to know before even considering this is how natural ND/autistic relationships work and how they can form. Without that, you cannot succeed.
There is one very important thing about the natural courtship process that makes dating apps extremely bad for NDs, and it is that they need to be physically close to form connections. It won't work with texting or video calls. They must be physically close. The next thing is that NDs prefer "distance stuff", and not direct talking or socializing, and connections tend to get stronger if they are formed at a "distance" (dating actually can kill the connection completely). I think this can be arranged by creating loosely coupled interest groups.
I'm wondering if there is a typo or I just misread... how does one be physically close while remaining distant?
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