Meant to Be Alone
dragonsanddemons
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Heh, who ever thought I would be starting a thread in L&D? Not me.
First, let's get this out of the way. Yes, I am biologically female. No, I have not so much as ever been asked on a date. No, the reason I have exactly zero experience romantically is not because I'm picky or turn people down, it's because I honestly, sincerely never even get any romantic interest shown to me in the first place. If you cannot handle the fact that all this can be true of a woman, please just close the thread and don't come back to it - don't try to invalidate or insult me. I wish it wasn't necessary to say this, but experience tells me that it is. Also please do not try to tell me how good I have it because of anything I say, or how much better I have it than you or anyone else. This isn't a contest to me, nor is it a pity party.
Okay, now that we're through with the disclaimers, on to the topic at hand. I feel really weird when I see all these threads and posts about how having a romantic relationship is the most important thing in life and that if you can't have that, you have nothing. I've seen these from both men and women, please let's not make this a gender thing. I feel so weird because this has never been a priority in life. I'm much better off alone, I know and accept that and it doesn't depress me or anything. But I feel downright alien about it, because it's such a huge thing for the vast majority of people. I'm not even sure if I'm actually capable of feeling romantic love. Sure, I can have close friendship (when given the opportunity), but it feels like there's some sort of barrier or something that I just can't get through, preventing me from anything besides platonic love.
Plus, I'm very much designed to be solitary. I do not crave social interaction. When I'm feeling down, I don't long for someone to comfort me (I post about it on here just to get my emotions out - much as I'm doing right now, I suppose), I want to be alone and sort things out myself. I need a huge amount of alone time, and I need a space to be mine and mine alone, where I can retreat to if I really can't be around anybody. I cannot imagine ever being able to be around someone else most of the time, sleeping in the same bed as someone else, being ready for loving touches at any time, having someone depend on me... clearly I'm at least not suited to married life. I think I get uncomfortable thinking about that level of closeness, for me to feel that close to anyone or anyone else to feel so close to me.
Maybe part of my issue is being afraid of disappointing someone with whom I shared such a close bond. I know I'd be afraid that no matter how much they insisted otherwise, there were things they resent about me but just won't tell me, that I'm missing subtle hints that I've upset them or that they don't like something I am or am not doing and one day they're just going to explode at me because of all the cues I missed and that will be it.
Enough rambling for now, I think - I'm distracting myself too much with tangents in my mind. Basically, I've never had a romantic relationship, I've never had much desire for one, and it makes me feel very... other to just be completely out of that scene when it seems to be such a huge part of most people's lives even though I know I'm happiest alone.
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Yet in my new wildness and freedom I almost welcome the bitterness of alienage. For although nepenthe has calmed me, I know always that I am an outsider; a stranger in this century and among those who are still men.
-H. P. Lovecraft, "The Outsider"
Likewise, I'm probably more sociable by some measures but that doesn't stop me feeling that this is the only way to live for me. I would take a lot of convincing to think otherwise.
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I totally understand and agree with you. I would have been the same except for the situation I was in.
I actually wrote loads of entries in my notebooks like yours, especially after marriage! LOL .. then it was just in the notes section on my phone as I didn't want my husband to see it by accident. I can still see these entries, as my notes section was connected to my Gmail.
Always in awe of how alike ppl here are.. before, i thought i was the only one (which seemed to confirm the label of "freak")...
Even though I liked making someone else happy, but if life had worked out to my ACTUAL comfort, I'd be on my own entirely except for living with parents and doing whatever for them that they needed.
I think you know who you are and what you are- that is awesome.
Whatever happens after, whatever life path-
will be better if you continue to trust your observations and judgement like this.
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Take defeat as an urge to greater effort.
-Napoleon Hill
If and when you meet the right person, you just know that the sacrifice is worth it. You get a tingle from being around them and feel a sense of well-being that you want all of the time.
Most people admittedly never capture this unicorn. And lesser relationships can certainly bring chaos and even destruction into your life.
Many Aspies crave solitude and the freedom to pursue their interests without interruption. Good for them! They may well be better off alone.
Just don't cheat yourself, is my motto in this. If you have the capacity for a loving relationship you should try to have one before it is too late.
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I do think that it’s best to not force yourself to be or feel any certain way that doesn’t come naturally to you. If you find someone that’s great, if you never want to find someone that’s great too. You may be different from most people but not wrong or broken or anything, just you are you - and that’s the best when you can find happiness in and hopefully love yourself.
First, let's get this out of the way. Yes, I am biologically female. No, I have not so much as ever been asked on a date. No, the reason I have exactly zero experience romantically is not because I'm picky or turn people down, it's because I honestly, sincerely never even get any romantic interest shown to me in the first place. If you cannot handle the fact that all this can be true of a woman, please just close the thread and don't come back to it - don't try to invalidate or insult me. I wish it wasn't necessary to say this, but experience tells me that it is. Also please do not try to tell me how good I have it because of anything I say, or how much better I have it than you or anyone else. This isn't a contest to me, nor is it a pity party.
Okay, now that we're through with the disclaimers, on to the topic at hand. I feel really weird when I see all these threads and posts about how having a romantic relationship is the most important thing in life and that if you can't have that, you have nothing. I've seen these from both men and women, please let's not make this a gender thing. I feel so weird because this has never been a priority in life. I'm much better off alone, I know and accept that and it doesn't depress me or anything. But I feel downright alien about it, because it's such a huge thing for the vast majority of people. I'm not even sure if I'm actually capable of feeling romantic love. Sure, I can have close friendship (when given the opportunity), but it feels like there's some sort of barrier or something that I just can't get through, preventing me from anything besides platonic love.
Plus, I'm very much designed to be solitary. I do not crave social interaction. When I'm feeling down, I don't long for someone to comfort me (I post about it on here just to get my emotions out - much as I'm doing right now, I suppose), I want to be alone and sort things out myself. I need a huge amount of alone time, and I need a space to be mine and mine alone, where I can retreat to if I really can't be around anybody. I cannot imagine ever being able to be around someone else most of the time, sleeping in the same bed as someone else, being ready for loving touches at any time, having someone depend on me... clearly I'm at least not suited to married life. I think I get uncomfortable thinking about that level of closeness, for me to feel that close to anyone or anyone else to feel so close to me.
Maybe part of my issue is being afraid of disappointing someone with whom I shared such a close bond. I know I'd be afraid that no matter how much they insisted otherwise, there were things they resent about me but just won't tell me, that I'm missing subtle hints that I've upset them or that they don't like something I am or am not doing and one day they're just going to explode at me because of all the cues I missed and that will be it.
Enough rambling for now, I think - I'm distracting myself too much with tangents in my mind. Basically, I've never had a romantic relationship, I've never had much desire for one, and it makes me feel very... other to just be completely out of that scene when it seems to be such a huge part of most people's lives even though I know I'm happiest alone.
I feel bad for people like Temple Grandin who live alone, I can't help but think that they are missing out by not living with someone or with multiple people. Yes, there is stress from people. And yes, there is the need and enjoyment of alone time. But there also downsides to living alone, and I can't believe that even the most hardened functional autistics can't benefit and enjoy NT-like connections with people occasionally or rarely at least or at a limited level just by being with people.
I actually wrote loads of entries in my notebooks like yours, especially after marriage! LOL .. then it was just in the notes section on my phone as I didn't want my husband to see it by accident. I can still see these entries, as my notes section was connected to my Gmail.
Always in awe of how alike ppl here are.. before, i thought i was the only one (which seemed to confirm the label of "freak")...
Even though I liked making someone else happy, but if life had worked out to my ACTUAL comfort, I'd be on my own entirely except for living with parents and doing whatever for them that they needed.
I think you know who you are and what you are- that is awesome.
Whatever happens after, whatever life path-
will be better if you continue to trust your observations and judgement like this.
Did this have the appearance of being emotionally cold and uninterested/unaffectionate and not fun to your ex husband? Did he complain about you as weird? I think from his perspective, if he cares about you, he should allow you the alone time and life style you like.. on the other hand, partners of aspies complain of coldness and lack of affection and weirdness.
I actually wrote loads of entries in my notebooks like yours, especially after marriage! LOL .. then it was just in the notes section on my phone as I didn't want my husband to see it by accident. I can still see these entries, as my notes section was connected to my Gmail.
Always in awe of how alike ppl here are.. before, i thought i was the only one (which seemed to confirm the label of "freak")...
Even though I liked making someone else happy, but if life had worked out to my ACTUAL comfort, I'd be on my own entirely except for living with parents and doing whatever for them that they needed.
I think you know who you are and what you are- that is awesome.
Whatever happens after, whatever life path-
will be better if you continue to trust your observations and judgement like this.
Did this have the appearance of being emotionally cold and uninterested/unaffectionate and not fun to your ex husband? Did he complain about you as weird? I think from his perspective, if he cares about you, he should allow you the alone time and life style you like.. on the other hand, partners of aspies complain of coldness and lack of affection and weirdness.
no idea. thought i put on a good front, but in retrospect there was quite a bit of tactlessness on my part, even so.
i know i gave him all the space and freedom to do as he wanted which his friends' wives and gf's didn't give them... or berated them for...
to hang out with me at diff places -or have me go everywhere - or cancel invites to go ice skating and whatever else. so that seems logically that he liked my company? i would have hated a lot of it - like going to restaurants- except you can find things u like in everything esp if u feel you're making the other person happy.
it was weird because for every time he went somewhere with me--
his mom would make him go on 'date nights' with her (she didn't call it that, i did in my head, because she wouldn't let me or anyone else come)
he supposedly found my cold moments funny and amusing- like April in a tv show he liked, 'parks and rec'
he said the first time he 'felt distant' from me was when i was giving birth.
the main issues for him (with me) came after the disabled child was born and had to do with other things (like major family crises in his family) happening for which he was under pressure, seeing his kid get worse and worse and trying and not believing i was doing what i said i was-- as per his mom's blatant lying etc- as well as his mom deciding to scapegoat me - etc
i guess it's easy to make a scapegoat of someone else's daughter, after doing it to your own.
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I find this bizarre also.
To think that some one is willing to suicide because they can't find a partner is beyond my comprehension.
"The vast majority" are very odd.
Platonic love is great.
Romantic love is a wild irrational emotional rollercoaster ride driven by the evolutionary process with the primary purpose of reproduction.
Simples.
This is very autistic.
It isn't wrong, it is just different.
To me, the ideal relationship would involve both parties living in their own house.
To a large extent, you can blame our lack of theory of mind, for this.
Not being able to anticipate how someone is going to react, and worry about saying the wrong this *all* the time, is very draining. At times, it makes it preferable to simply be alone, I agree.
All I can say is "To each their own".
And I have stopped "Chasing other people's rainbows" many years ago.
Always in awe of how alike ppl here are.. before, i thought i was the only one (which seemed to confirm the label of "freak")...
I know you are a married woman, but I think I can still say I think your "freakiness" is cute.
I find many/most autistic women adorable because of their aspie idiosyncrasies.
I guess it is OK for me to say this because I am an aspie, and we don't really understand social boundaries very well.
Let's just cut to the chase.
1. Do you want a romantic relationship? Y/N
2. Do you want a romantic relationship with somebody who will leave you alone most of the time?,
3. Are you worried about what other people think of you because you are happiest when alone?
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I was a little disappointed that you deleted your post on another thread because I thought it was a valuable contribution. But I see that you basically moved your post to a new thread to elaborate
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1. Do you want a romantic relationship? Y/N
With you?
No.
Once again, if the "someone" is you,
No.
Are you asking me?
I don't care what other people think,
Not even you.
Oh, OK,
Maybe I care a little bit what you think of me.
You guessed it.
I have been into the caffeine again.
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I find this bizarre also.
To think that some one is willing to suicide because they can't find a partner is beyond my comprehension.
Yeah, I can see how losing a significant other for one reason or another might make one suicidal if the person was the only reason they were staying alive, but because one thinks they’re going to be single forever? There is plenty of life that does not require a significant other to enjoy/benefit from.
[quote=“Pepe]
"The vast majority" are very odd. [/quote]
Agreed.
[quote=“Pepe”]
Platonic love is great.
Romantic love is a wild irrational emotional rollercoaster ride driven by the evolutionary process with the primary purpose of reproduction.
Simples. [/quote]
Yeah, there is a lot of stuff involved with romantic relationships that one doesn’t have to deal with in a platonic relationship. I should probably try to focus on that more than I do.
[quote=“Pepe”]
This is very autistic.
It isn't wrong, it is just different.[/quote]
I agree, there’s nothing wrong with it, it just means I am not suited to “traditional” married life.
[quote=“Pepe”]
To me, the ideal relationship would involve both parties living in their own house. [/quote]
I agree. Maybe a duplex sort of thing, where it would be easy to have some time together but each person would have their own space.
[quote=“Pepe”]
To a large extent, you can blame our lack of theory of mind, for this.
Not being able to anticipate how someone is going to react, and worry about saying the wrong this *all* the time, is very draining. At times, it makes it preferable to simply be alone, I agree.[/quote]
That makes sense. Yeah, that’s the problem, really, is that I’d feel like I needed to be alert at all times, I need to be completely alone in order to relax.
[quote=“Pepe”]
All I can say is "To each their own".
And I have stopped "Chasing other people's rainbows" many years ago. [/quote]
Yeah, I need to remember that I am me, not “most people,” and it’s okay to have a completely different lifestyle and such.
(Oops, apparently I don’t know how to do multi-quotes properly )
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Yet in my new wildness and freedom I almost welcome the bitterness of alienage. For although nepenthe has calmed me, I know always that I am an outsider; a stranger in this century and among those who are still men.
-H. P. Lovecraft, "The Outsider"
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Let's just cut to the chase.
1. Do you want a romantic relationship? Y/N
2. Do you want a romantic relationship with somebody who will leave you alone most of the time?,
3. Are you worried about what other people think of you because you are happiest when alone?
1. I really am not sure. I’m kind of of the opinion that if it happens, it happens, and if it doesn’t, it doesn’t, and either is OK. I think I more of feel like I should want it.
2. Maybe not most of the time, but a good bit of the time, yes.
3. Yes, I suppose I am.
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Yet in my new wildness and freedom I almost welcome the bitterness of alienage. For although nepenthe has calmed me, I know always that I am an outsider; a stranger in this century and among those who are still men.
-H. P. Lovecraft, "The Outsider"
Let's just cut to the chase.
1. Do you want a romantic relationship? Y/N
2. Do you want a romantic relationship with somebody who will leave you alone most of the time?,
3. Are you worried about what other people think of you because you are happiest when alone?
1. I really am not sure. I’m kind of of the opinion that if it happens, it happens, and if it doesn’t, it doesn’t, and either is OK. I think I more of feel like I should want it.
2. Maybe not most of the time, but a good bit of the time, yes.
3. Yes, I suppose I am.
That all sounds perfectly normal. I met my now wife with a similar mentality (except for the alone time breakdown). It can take stress off of socializing and allow potential relationships to ripen properly. I'm not sure focusing on the alone time ratio is that important. Entering into a relationship is a learning experience and you might surprise yourself and find that you want to spend a lot of time with your partner. Maybe not though and that's okay.
These things usually don't happen in my experience in healthy relationships. On the rare occasion that an issue comes up its treated as a learning experience. A well chosen person that you share a close bond with is unlikely to just explode at you.