My Aspie girl's a tricky one :p...

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@zen_mistress: Another name for the list - how nice of you.

Let me see, here's the list of names I've been called in this thread:

holier than thou
bizarre
annoying
jaded
crucifier
liar
patronizing
witch hunter
Aspie fetishist
creepy
Get a kick out of feeling superior to aspies
very odd
misandrist

So, if you can't debate the facts, attack the character? It's a way to go, but it does really advance the discussion, does it? As to your comments:

"You seem to think they all behave with evil intent, objectify women, etc, you see evil where there is not.

Maybe you know someone with AS, maybe you dont, but I wonder why you are at a forum which contains not only lots of males, but women with male-like minds too... you have to think like a man and actually like men, to be happy here...

I cannot understand why you would want to spend time here when it is a place where , in your mind, you would find evil lurking in every corner."

No, zen_mistress - that is your opinion of me. An opinion, which by the way, is completely inaccurate. Let me see...because I don't think it's a smart move to post pics of your gf on a public website, and because I think it's pretty much always a bad idea to objectify women, that translates to believing that all men behave with evil intent? Those two concepts aren't even on the same page - how on earth do you connect those dots? Cause that connection is not logical, zen_mistress, and it's not reasonable - so I'm forced to believe that connection exists only in your mind.

And really, you feel the need to call me a liar? "Maybe I know someone with AS, maybe I don't?" Do you find you make a lot of headway insulting people? Because when someone insults me, as opposed to simply disagreeing with me, stating their case, making their argument, etc., I tend to completely dismiss them. So maybe I've dated an Aspie or two, maybe I've been engaged to an Aspie...how is that any of your business? Again, construct whatever paradigm you like to make me seem "evil" and paranoid and delusional (seeing "evil" lurking in every corner - and I'm delusional?). You can't make me feel unwelcome or unwanted, zen_mistress - you never made me feel welcome or wanted. But that's okay with me, because I'm not here for you.

@Aspiewifey, why on earth would you think anyone on this forum would think it's made up of friends? Have you read this thread? The tone isn't even civil - how could that indicate the existence of friendship to you?

please direct me to where I personally attacked you. I I called you over dramatic no doubt you would add that to your list to.You called me passive aggressive, which would mean you doubt my sincerity. I not that bothered, but it shows you don't really know me all that well, as i pretty strait to the point in telling people what I think about them.

I actually agree with you wholeheartedly on this. You have every right to be here.

I think you are overreacting. Keep things in perspective. Personal attacks haven't come from me, they may be some people making light of that situation, but you made things personal quite a bit before them.

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Now you're just making shiz up? How the f**k do you know whether I've got a relative or bf with AS? Before today, I don't think I've had one exchange with you, Lotusblossom, so where exactly are you getting your information? And how dare you make statements about me as though you know something that you clearly don't know. Please, since you don't know the facts, could you just stop talking?

zen_mistress your comments about ET were so random, and funny

Nice visual aids.

I've already done that - these are your words:

"I'm pretty neutral on this, I them we can give Seanmw the benefit of the doubt on this. I think it is human nature to attention seek to some extent. I think some of the comments are more than a little hypocritical. I am bemused at HopeGrows point after the game set and match remark. Confused

I think there are too many people just trying to make a point. It is perfectly possible for people to mess up once an a while, it doesn't men they should be crucified for it. Seanmw will learn from his mistakes."

"Well that is hardly clear is it? Especially the bit about being surprised to hear yourself saying it. Sounds more like U-Turn to me, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt."

"Playing devil's advocate is uncomfortable have to admit as Seanmw messed up in my view, however he doesn't desive a which hunt form people who are no better than him."

And NO actually, I didn't make things personal before then. Sorry - that didn't happen. I supported my opinion without insulting or degrading you. I responded to Seanmw by supporting my opinion without degrading him. And really, just as soon as you get freaking tag-teamed by a string of posters hurling insults because they don't support your opinion, you can react whatever way you'd like. If you think this discourse has been civil, I don't.

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Actually I think this thread is proof of friendship, many people have stood up for Seanmw.

As for your comments towards me, I have made my point and I guess I cant make you see how inexplicable your behaviour is about these photographs of this girl, not least because your own avatar is a photo of yourself... why are you the only one allowed your photo up online?

Thank you I am a very visual person, as it happens.

@HopeGrows

attacking ideas is well within the rules. If you want to read more into it that is your problem.

Now you got yourself in a position that if I criticise you could accuse me of personally attacking you. Nonetheless I would have thought you need to have been wrapped up in cotton wool if any criticism is taken as a personal slight automatically.

Excellent

ooooo, I love Wayne's World.

Dude, if you can't make the case on the facts, attack the other person's character, huh? You asked me to point out where you personally attacked me and I did. The thing to do at that point would have been to apologize. Don't want to apologize? Fine. How about being quiet, then? But not you, zero - nope. Now I'm so ultra sensitive, right? I've got to be wrapped up in cotton? Really? Give me a f*****g break.

Thank you for proving my point. You win, I won't reply to you in this thread again.

@zen_mistress I knew you would

Stand up for Seanmw all you like, zen_mistress. But it would be so much better all the way around if you could figure out how to voice your own opinion without insulting people who disagree with you. When you turn the discussion toward personal insults, you effectively halt discussion of the matter at hand. And then you become so desperate to "win" the discussion that you can really do some damage - and exactly what do you achieve when you do that? As far as me being the only person who can post a pic - there is nothing in anything I've said that could lead to you draw than conclusion. Again, it would be great if you were motivated by a desire to discuss the topic, rather than to crush the opposition.