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31 Jul 2010, 11:10 pm

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Yeha I don't know the Heff, I more meant he speaks to women with love and respect really. I should have been more clear about that. But in general, he loves women.

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Craig28 is NOT a women hater. He has legitimate frustrations that he wants to vent.


Oh, so hating women on the internet is okay because its "venting". In my opinion all the internet does is allow people to show their true colours that they're too scared to show in real life.

For me, obviously, it would be an extreme distate to woman haters, for him, it's resenting women.


As a social outcast Craig28 has probably put up with a lot more spitefulness from the opposite sex than you are willing to admit occurs in this society. When people are treated disrespectfully they tend to get upset. He is not a women hater. That is a very strong word that you are using. On what basis are you calling him a woman hater?


His posts reek of bitterness and resentment. Going as far as to say something like Women can get out of a test because they've got their period? That's going very deeply into resenting women. Its going beyond just resenting them because they rejected him.

I've screwed it up with every single guy i've ever been interested in. We have a lot more trouble than people think.



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01 Aug 2010, 12:21 am

lol drama :jester:



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01 Aug 2010, 12:27 am

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Women stay away because I approach them the wrong way. Thats what happens when someone has never had a girlfriend or been told by anyone the best way to approach them. Its called no experience. You could say that my attitude to women has slightly soured every time I get turned down. No ones at fault, woman can turn me down, and I'm not at fault because I have no idea what I am doing and anyone, Aspie or NT has done nothing to help me, even though I pleaded for help for many years and got nothing.

from what you said, it seems like maybe you are angry and/or bitter, and maybe that may is because of the rejection you have experienced. but taking it out on women won't get you anywhere. if you start to resent all women for what some women did in the past, you will always have problems with making a connection. honestly, you are coming across like a woman-hater, and that is not a recipe for success.


Craig28 is NOT a women hater. He has legitimate frustrations that he wants to vent. You can't just focus on one easy target as a scapegoat for all the woes of men.

no, those are not legitimate frustrations.

anyway, how do YOU know whether he is a woman hater or not? i am telling him how he appears to me, and if you disagree with it, fine. but you wouldn't know any better than i do.

he is not a scapegoat - he is a man who disrespects women on the forums, like you. i appreciate men who respect women here, and you two do not.



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01 Aug 2010, 12:34 am

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As a social outcast Craig28 has probably put up with a lot more spitefulness from the opposite sex than you are willing to admit occurs in this society. When people are treated disrespectfully they tend to get upset. He is not a women hater. That is a very strong word that you are using. On what basis are you calling him a woman hater?
Whatever you want to call it, there are a lot of people here that make monumental screwups in the relationship arena, which is pretty normal for ASD guys, but the problem that keeps them stuck is a failure to live and learn, recognize they have shortcomings in their relationship skills, and work on it. When they were little they might have had a meltdown when they were told they couldn't have cookies. Some of the behavior people here show when a girl rejects them or they aren't getting laid isn't a whole lot different than when they were little, only the aberrant behavior is less intense but much more drawn out.

In case anyone is wondering, I've had horrible luck in dating myself. You won't catch me coming on here and throwing a fit about how mean and shallow the girls were for rejecting me. As much as I want a relationship, I know that if I got into one now it would go down in flames in a hurry no matter how compatible we are, and rather than being bitter about it I am working on self-improvement. I suggest other guys in my situation do the same.


thanks for this. i have had to work on myself too - including therapy, in order to make relationships work. i could have been angry and bitter towards the opposite sex due to both past and recent experiences (like rape and sexual harassment), but i am not. most of my friends are guys, i've been married for 16 years (together for 20). IRL i prefer men, as long as they respect women.



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01 Aug 2010, 1:07 am

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Women stay away because I approach them the wrong way. Thats what happens when someone has never had a girlfriend or been told by anyone the best way to approach them. Its called no experience. You could say that my attitude to women has slightly soured every time I get turned down. No ones at fault, woman can turn me down, and I'm not at fault because I have no idea what I am doing and anyone, Aspie or NT has done nothing to help me, even though I pleaded for help for many years and got nothing.

from what you said, it seems like maybe you are angry and/or bitter, and maybe that may is because of the rejection you have experienced. but taking it out on women won't get you anywhere. if you start to resent all women for what some women did in the past, you will always have problems with making a connection. honestly, you are coming across like a woman-hater, and that is not a recipe for success.


Craig28 is NOT a women hater. He has legitimate frustrations that he wants to vent. You can't just focus on one easy target as a scapegoat for all the woes of men.

no, those are not legitimate frustrations.

anyway, how do YOU know whether he is a woman hater or not? i am telling him how he appears to me, and if you disagree with it, fine. but you wouldn't know any better than i do.

he is not a scapegoat - he is a man who disrespects women on the forums, like you. i appreciate men who respect women here, and you two do not.


I have not disrespected any women on this forum. I have disagreed with your opinions but that doesn't mean I didn't treat you with respect.



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01 Aug 2010, 1:40 am

I just imagined all of you in the same room - arguing.
That would not be fun to sit through. Not at all.

There are people who really piss me off.
People who hate women/men are part of this group of people. People who contribute nothing but a veritable barrage of ad hominem blithering in place of meaningful discussion also really piss me off.

Let's start over, shall we? Clean slates for everyone. ^_^



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01 Aug 2010, 2:00 am

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Let's start over, shall we? Clean slates for everyone. ^_^

That would mean some people would go back to behaving like cavemen, some people would get pissed off about it, and we would all be right back where we are now.


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01 Aug 2010, 2:24 am

John_Browning wrote:
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Let's start over, shall we? Clean slates for everyone. ^_^

That would mean some people would go back to behaving like cavemen, some people would get pissed off about it, and we would all be right back where we are now.

:hail:



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01 Aug 2010, 2:31 am

hyperlexian wrote:
John_Browning wrote:
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Let's start over, shall we? Clean slates for everyone. ^_^

That would mean some people would go back to behaving like cavemen, some people would get pissed off about it, and we would all be right back where we are now.

:hail:


I was actually hoping that people could start over retrospectively. I guess that's asking a little too much. It's ok. I get frustrated sometimes, but I love people all the same. :lol:



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01 Aug 2010, 7:43 am

Why do you misogynist f***s keep bringing up the fact that women can take time off because they have their period as proof that women are the oppressor?

Seriously. It's not just a little irritant for all of us. Some of us get sick, dizzy, faint etc.

If you were sick and dizzy and unable to think because of extreme pain, you'd expect some time off to feel better, wouldn't you?

Or maybe you think women should continue to do everything they normally do even if they're actually passing out or vomiting?


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01 Aug 2010, 9:15 am

hale_bopp wrote:
Women can get out of a test because they've got their period.


What test? I never mentioned anything about any tests. Now, you smack of being a man hater!



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01 Aug 2010, 9:41 am

Another classic JohnisBlind topic. :wink:

You've made a little grammar mistake, sorry to point that out. :(

Anyway, I think it's rude to look at women's breasts. I'd only look at them if I was asked to. I respect both females and my gender equally. I'm not really that fussed with people's opinions either. Just live and let live.

Imagine it the other way round. Imagine a girl who keeps looking at your penis. I'd find that a little off-putting.



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01 Aug 2010, 11:38 am

Alternative wrote:
Another classic JohnisBlind topic. :wink:

You've made a little grammar mistake, sorry to point that out. :(

Anyway, I think it's rude to look at women's breasts. I'd only look at them if I was asked to. I respect both females and my gender equally. I'm not really that fussed with people's opinions either. Just live and let live.

Imagine it the other way round. Imagine a girl who keeps looking at your penis. I'd find that a little off-putting.

i appreciate what you have to say



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01 Aug 2010, 12:09 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
i appreciate what you have to say


Thankyou. :)



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01 Aug 2010, 12:32 pm

Alternative wrote:
Another classic JohnisBlind topic. :wink:

You've made a little grammar mistake, sorry to point that out. :(

Anyway, I think it's rude to look at women's breasts. I'd only look at them if I was asked to. I respect both females and my gender equally. I'm not really that fussed with people's opinions either. Just live and let live.

Imagine it the other way round. Imagine a girl who keeps looking at your penis. I'd find that a little off-putting.


Very good point. Respect. :)


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01 Aug 2010, 1:25 pm

Craig28 wrote:
Hale Bopp wrote:
Women can get out of a test because they've got their period.


What test? I never mentioned anything about any tests. Now, you smack of being a man hater!


Hmm...

Ambrose Rotten wrote:
There are people who really piss me off.
People who hate women/men are part of this group of people. People who contribute nothing but a veritable barrage of ad hominem blithering in place of meaningful discussion also really piss me off.


:lol:

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Ambrose Rotten wrote:
Let's start over, shall we? Clean slates for everyone. ^_^

That would mean some people would go back to behaving like cavemen, some people would get pissed off about it, and we would all be right back where we are now.


:lmao:

John Browning, you should become a prophet.



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