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23 Oct 2010, 4:37 pm

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1) Smile! Smile in your pic! And include more pictures in various poses.

2) Remove the academic creds. Just say went to college or attending college. That's a dating profile, not a CV. I understand you are proud of your accomplishments. But a profile is no place to list a PhD. Instead when you go out on a date, steer the topic toward your studies and then bring in a PhD for a kill. :)

3) Your profile's sole purpose is to get you one (1) date with a compatible woman. A woman will not fall in love and be yours forever based on what she reads in your profile. It will all come down to chemistry on your date(s). So keep the info in the profile to a minimum. Simple and interesting! You can talk about the rest on your date.

4) Talk about what kind of a person you are, not just your interests. For example: are you more spontaneous or more of a planner/list maker? More logical/rational or more spiritual/religious? Attached to your family or more independent? You've touched upon this with a "have friends, prefer to be alone" line. You need a little more of the same... something to describe your personality.

5) As for your interests, be general. Just say you like SciFi! No need to list the shows, and certainly there's no need to have one paragraph for SciFi TV and second for SciFi movies! A girl of your dreams may love SciFi but hate BSG and so she won't e-mail you even though the two of you would be perfect together.

Like I said, keep the profile short and to the point. Less is more. The magic happens on the phone or on the first date. The profile is there to intrigue a woman enough to reply to your first message, or to compel her to initiate contact with you. The rest is up to you. ;)

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Jono,

I think you should keep in the details about your PHD. Your academic achievements say a lot about you - you are intelligent, educated, and you have tenacity relative to accomplishing your goals. In my book, these are great qualities. Let's face it, your profile write up is not going to garner interest from a woman looking for a long-haired, bass guitar player in a heavy metal rock band - because that is not who you are. In my estimation, chances you will attract women looking for highly educated, intelligent, academic types who are not social butterflies.

End of the day, to thine own self be true. You are who you are and please take pride in yourself!

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23 Oct 2010, 4:41 pm

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the best advice i ever saw was in quirkology: the curious science of everyday lives (richard wiseman):

a singles advert should have approximately 70% of the words dedicated to speaking of oneself, and 30% of the words dedicated to describing the target person.

using this type of strategy, you used 184 words in the 'My Self-Summary' 'My favourite books, movies, music and food' sections

you used 90 words in the 'I'm looking for' and 'You should message me if' sections

therefore, you spoke about yourself 67% of the time, and your potential mate 33% of the time. considering that some of the final section was sort of about you as well, which could slightly change this percentage, that is a bang-up job!

-----

i like your picture a lot, but since i presume you only have the choice of including a single snap, i should also tell you that a photo of you doing something you enjoy or posing with an animal will lead to a higher success rate, as opposed to a portrait-style picture. the lack of a smile will not hurt your chances, statistically.

------

as an aside for any women reading... the same study study showed that both men and men were remarkably good at spotting good online profiles that men had written to attract women.

men were also good at spotting good online profiles that women had written to attract men. however, women did not have much of a clue when it came to spotting good online profiles of this type. women did not know what kind of profile would attract the most men. the conclusion was that women should have a man's help when writing these kinds of advertisements... interesting, no?




Ms Hyperlexian,

You give very good advice. I like reading your posts!

Thanks!

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23 Oct 2010, 4:47 pm

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I have a bad feeling about all this over-excitement.


The worst that could happen is that either I don't get a reply back or get rejected. If that happens then I'll have to look for someone else, it's no big deal.


Great winning attitude Jono! The crux of the matter is you are trying to achieve your goal which is admirable. It sure beats the alternative of not trying but being sad that you are alone!

Nothing ventured, nothing gained!

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23 Oct 2010, 4:56 pm

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I sent a message to a second person who did reply back to me even though her profile indicates that she replies very selectively. Unfortunately, her reply seems to indicate that there's not much commonality, saying "we'll probably bore each other to death" while I talk about science and she recounts "adventures" from her childhood.

I'm not having much luck here so far. Although the last person I messaged was an 86% match based on my answers to the OKCupid match question the above paragraph seems to indicate that she probably isn't the kind of person I've been targeting. In fact there doesn't seem to be a lot of women on there, at least in my area, that are the kind of people I've been. Amongst the ones that are, they often haven't logged in for a long time, are single mothers or several years younger than me. There is one who's 24 years old and logged on in the past week but I don't know how acceptable it is for a 30 year old to date a 24 year old.

I still think that the match system on OKCupid is impressive though since just about everyone who does fall into my targeted group seems to have high match percentages.



Honestly , Jono .....

I think that even if you roll yourself in some pig poop and run in the street half naked , you would have a better chance meeting a potential gf than using the okcupid.



Boo,

With all due respect, why do you have to be negative about Jono's attempts at finding a mate via OKCupid? Personally, I respect and admire him for having the fortitude to put himself out there (safely of course). In all likelihood, a viable romantic match is not just going to appear suddenly on his doorstep, so if he wants to date then he has to do the required work and effort to achieve his goal. Would you expect anything less from someone who is going after a PHD? Nothing ventured, nothing gained!

And just for the record, I am a lot older than Jono and I have no romantic interest in him. I am not a cougar. Although I am a HopefulRomantic and I applaud his efforts to seek romance!

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23 Oct 2010, 6:07 pm

Dating sites are useless for the vast majority of men. Period.

He must know that.

Real life attempts would be far better than all of this. The pig pool thing was just a metaphor to tell him that real life attempts are more likely to succeed even in the worst conditions.



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23 Oct 2010, 6:15 pm

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Jono wrote:
I sent a message to a second person who did reply back to me even though her profile indicates that she replies very selectively. Unfortunately, her reply seems to indicate that there's not much commonality, saying "we'll probably bore each other to death" while I talk about science and she recounts "adventures" from her childhood.

I'm not having much luck here so far. Although the last person I messaged was an 86% match based on my answers to the OKCupid match question the above paragraph seems to indicate that she probably isn't the kind of person I've been targeting. In fact there doesn't seem to be a lot of women on there, at least in my area, that are the kind of people I've been. Amongst the ones that are, they often haven't logged in for a long time, are single mothers or several years younger than me. There is one who's 24 years old and logged on in the past week but I don't know how acceptable it is for a 30 year old to date a 24 year old.

I still think that the match system on OKCupid is impressive though since just about everyone who does fall into my targeted group seems to have high match percentages.



Honestly , Jono .....

I think that even if you roll yourself in some pig poop and run in the street half naked , you would have a better chance meeting a potential gf than using the okcupid.



Boo,

With all due respect, why do you have to be negative about Jono's attempts at finding a mate via OKCupid? Personally, I respect and admire him for having the fortitude to put himself out there (safely of course). In all likelihood, a viable romantic match is not just going to appear suddenly on his doorstep, so if he wants to date then he has to do the required work and effort to achieve his goal. Would you expect anything less from someone who is going after a PHD? Nothing ventured, nothing gained!

And just for the record, I am a lot older than Jono and I have no romantic interest in him. I am not a cougar. Although I am a HopefulRomantic and I applaud his efforts to seek romance!

HR


With all due respect, but that what the a lot older ladies usually do to the male youngsters here : giving them almost false hopes with their ideal advices and perception. The question is , would the 30-years-younger-version of you would date a such youngster or even care that much about the things that their 30-years-older-version is saying now? I highly doubt.



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23 Oct 2010, 6:55 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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Jono wrote:
I sent a message to a second person who did reply back to me even though her profile indicates that she replies very selectively. Unfortunately, her reply seems to indicate that there's not much commonality, saying "we'll probably bore each other to death" while I talk about science and she recounts "adventures" from her childhood.

I'm not having much luck here so far. Although the last person I messaged was an 86% match based on my answers to the OKCupid match question the above paragraph seems to indicate that she probably isn't the kind of person I've been targeting. In fact there doesn't seem to be a lot of women on there, at least in my area, that are the kind of people I've been. Amongst the ones that are, they often haven't logged in for a long time, are single mothers or several years younger than me. There is one who's 24 years old and logged on in the past week but I don't know how acceptable it is for a 30 year old to date a 24 year old.

I still think that the match system on OKCupid is impressive though since just about everyone who does fall into my targeted group seems to have high match percentages.



Honestly , Jono .....

I think that even if you roll yourself in some pig poop and run in the street half naked , you would have a better chance meeting a potential gf than using the okcupid.



Boo,

With all due respect, why do you have to be negative about Jono's attempts at finding a mate via OKCupid? Personally, I respect and admire him for having the fortitude to put himself out there (safely of course). In all likelihood, a viable romantic match is not just going to appear suddenly on his doorstep, so if he wants to date then he has to do the required work and effort to achieve his goal. Would you expect anything less from someone who is going after a PHD? Nothing ventured, nothing gained!

And just for the record, I am a lot older than Jono and I have no romantic interest in him. I am not a cougar. Although I am a HopefulRomantic and I applaud his efforts to seek romance!

HR


With all due respect, but that what the a lot older ladies usually do to the male youngsters here : giving them almost false hopes with their ideal advices and perception. The question is , would the 30-years-younger-version of you would date a such youngster or even care that much about the things that their 30-years-older-version is saying now? I highly doubt.



Boo,

Thank you for your reply.

In this this life we all have our chosen paradigms: one of mine is to encourage people because I believe that people get people through the best and worst of times.

Moreover, I believe in the concept of carpe diem - go for it. The last time I heard, life is not a dress rehearsal - you get one shot, so my chosen paradigm is to enjoy it to the fullest. In keeping with this attitude, when I encounter someone trying to achieve a goal (and all indications that they have the right stuff to achieve that goal) - yes I encourage them.

Growing up my Mom influenced me greatly. One of the primary lessons she taught me is that if you have something nice to say (with the caveat that you genuinely mean it and you have no ulterior motive that is self-serving), then say it. In my opinion, there is way too much negativity in the world - so why would I add to it by squelching someone's else's hopes and goals?

Perhaps, if you have seen the film Pay It Forward, you are familiar with the concept of just being nice to people just for the sake of being nice (again as long as you genuinely mean it and you have nothing to gain by doing so). For me, its analgous to the concept of practice random acts of kindness and beauty just for the heck of it.

Sometimes for just one brief shining moment, we can reach out to someone and brighten their day by just smiling and saying hello or just encouraging them. People have lifted me up when I was down; showed me kindness when I was depressed and encouraged me when I was embarking upon a new endeavor.

Lastly, I am a firm believer in going after one's dreams. For example, when I was 25 I moved 2,500 miles to Newport Beach, CA (2 miles from the beach) because I wanted to live in CA. My sister and brother-in-law lived in CA. so I had visited there numerous times before and I loved the place. I had the necessary education and skillsets so I could easily obtain employment sufficient to support myself.
And I had more fun than I could even begin to tell you. For example, I would get off work at 5PM on Friday, get in my Mazda Miata with my boyfriend and go to San Diego, Los Angeles, Phoenix, Las Vegas, and all over AZ, NM, in a weekend. Work hard, play hard!

Just my thoughts!

HR



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23 Oct 2010, 7:08 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Dating sites are useless for the vast majority of men. Period.

He must know that.

Real life attempts would be far better than all of this. The pig pool thing was just a metaphor to tell him that real life attempts are more likely to succeed even in the worst conditions.


Boo,

To every rule there is an exception. I know all about exceptions because I am a Certified Internal Auditor.

By the way, I have a real life exception for you about Internet dating sites: On a mainstream dating site, my last bf (who is an aspie) approached me (I am NT) and we dated and had a reasonably good relationship. The only reason we broke up was his intrusive stepdaugher's meddling (who has a 7 year old child) who was threatened by me because she and her child live with him. Her ex husband only works sporadically (doesn't even provide health insurance for the child) and pays minimal or no child support. In short, I was a threat to her financial security because she has a free ride living with her stepdad because she pays no bills (rent, utilities, food, etc.). In addition, she has a college degree and a full-time job which would enable her to support herself. But she doesn't want to support herself and her child because then she could not spend $700 on hair extensions and the latest beauty/fashion fads. When he told her he had fallen in love with me, she freaked out because she was afraid we would get serious and she would actually have to move out. Being that I live 140 miles away from him, have my own career, own my own house, her fears were ludicrous!

By the way, I did not know he had Asperger's until 2 months into the relationship because he did not tell me. And when I found out, I did not care because I loved him and we were compatible - actually the chemistry was electric and magnetic.

But I can't tolerate intrusive people meddling in my life (the Machiavellian stepdaughter) so I opted out! In my opinion, romantic relationships are between two people - not three!

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24 Oct 2010, 6:54 am

Ok-ay ......nice biography.

The point?



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I'm usually right 8) :wink:

actually yes, you are. no go and use your skills for good and not evil!! !! ! jk jk i respect your opinions a great deal.


Lol, thank you hyperlexian! I'm doing what I can :-)


Thanks, I appreciate it.


My pleasure. I loves to help.


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24 Oct 2010, 8:50 am

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Ok-ay ......nice biography.

The point?


Boo,

Nothing ventured, nothing gained - meaning Jono is making a concerted effort to achieve his goal knowing full well he might not achieve his desired end because he has strength, fortitude and sheer guts to try. The likelihood of achieving one's goals is greater when one actually tries. In the end, tenacity wins out.

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I'm usually right 8) :wink:

actually yes, you are. no go and use your skills for good and not evil!! !! ! jk jk i respect your opinions a great deal.


Lol, thank you hyperlexian! I'm doing what I can :-)


Thanks, I appreciate it.


My pleasure. I loves to help.


I wholeheartedly concur! It speaks volumes about your character Moog that you are encouraging to people just for the sake of being nice. I really like your posts as well because they do not smack of nihilism.

Thanks!



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24 Oct 2010, 9:15 am

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The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Ok-ay ......nice biography.

The point?


Boo,

Nothing ventured, nothing gained - meaning Jono is making a concerted effort to achieve his goal knowing full well he might not achieve his desired end because he has strength, fortitude and sheer guts to try. The likelihood of achieving one's goals is greater when one actually tries. In the end, tenacity wins out.

HR



I am not telling him to not venture, I am telling to venture elsewhere and by other means, venturing where he's venturing now and the way he's trying to venture will do no good.

He's investing his time in the wrong place.



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24 Oct 2010, 9:51 am

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the best advice i ever saw was in quirkology: the curious science of everyday lives (richard wiseman):

a singles advert should have approximately 70% of the words dedicated to speaking of oneself, and 30% of the words dedicated to describing the target person.

using this type of strategy, you used 184 words in the 'My Self-Summary' 'My favourite books, movies, music and food' sections

you used 90 words in the 'I'm looking for' and 'You should message me if' sections

therefore, you spoke about yourself 67% of the time, and your potential mate 33% of the time. considering that some of the final section was sort of about you as well, which could slightly change this percentage, that is a bang-up job!

-----

i like your picture a lot, but since i presume you only have the choice of including a single snap, i should also tell you that a photo of you doing something you enjoy or posing with an animal will lead to a higher success rate, as opposed to a portrait-style picture. the lack of a smile will not hurt your chances, statistically.

------

as an aside for any women reading... the same study study showed that both men and men were remarkably good at spotting good online profiles that men had written to attract women.

men were also good at spotting good online profiles that women had written to attract men. however, women did not have much of a clue when it came to spotting good online profiles of this type. women did not know what kind of profile would attract the most men. the conclusion was that women should have a man's help when writing these kinds of advertisements... interesting, no?




Ms Hyperlexian,

You give very good advice. I like reading your posts!

Thanks!

Leslie

thank you so much! :heart:


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24 Oct 2010, 10:15 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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Ok-ay ......nice biography.

The point?


Boo,

Nothing ventured, nothing gained - meaning Jono is making a concerted effort to achieve his goal knowing full well he might not achieve his desired end because he has strength, fortitude and sheer guts to try. The likelihood of achieving one's goals is greater when one actually tries. In the end, tenacity wins out.

HR



I am not telling him to not venture, I am telling to venture elsewhere and by other means, venturing where he's venturing now and the way he's trying to venture will do no good.


Well, Boo it appears we are on the same page . . . . . . . . . . Now back to regularly scheduled programming - Jono's venture into the realm of online dating!

HR
He's investing his time in the wrong place.



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The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
HopefulRomantic wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Ok-ay ......nice biography.

The point?


Boo,

Nothing ventured, nothing gained - meaning Jono is making a concerted effort to achieve his goal knowing full well he might not achieve his desired end because he has strength, fortitude and sheer guts to try. The likelihood of achieving one's goals is greater when one actually tries. In the end, tenacity wins out.

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I am not telling him to not venture, I am telling to venture elsewhere and by other means, venturing where he's venturing now and the way he's trying to venture will do no good.

He's investing his time in the wrong place.


It's not like he's wasting years of his life on this. It takes maybe half an hour to an hour or two to make a profile, and then a little time to scan for victims (:wink:) and maybe write some messages.

I think OK cupid is actually a fairly good venue for learning a little bit about relationships and people, in a particular context.

Ultimately I didn't find my one true love through it, but I learned a bit, and it was fun and interesting to play with for a while. I'm sure it's possible that some people do make long term relationships through it.


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