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30 Dec 2011, 1:21 am

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Haha...relax...

I just like what you said, and how you said it. Sensible, honest, and to the point. Nice :)

I don't care what you call me or if your opinion differs from mine...unless you can offer a reason that I would somehow gain from doing so and the overall result is a positive net gain for all. I'd prefer to just appreciate your contribution to the shared experience.

Cool. Very, very relaxed now ... are we all relaxed? ...


BOO!! !! !! !! !



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30 Dec 2011, 2:29 am

^You called me?



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30 Dec 2011, 2:43 am

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Like research has confirmed, women are significantly more likely to believe in religions and pseudo science and have less knowledge about politics (all these things regardless of in which country we are). Further, among the students of philosophy there are less women.

I think my irrational misogynist feelings have been relatively easy to control so far but this rational question remains whether women are the sex which has less of those qualities (somehow related to rational thinking and intellectual interests) I do respect.

I am not referring to this particular discussion forum (where I have not been very active so far) but so often it happens that I get disappointed in the Internet because it seems to be always boys who are the most competent analytical thinkers in discussions. I am not claiming that they are (though the fact that they are more interested in philosophy would give a rational basis for this claim), but this is an impression (true or false) I have got. I often simply found myself wishing that girls were better than they seem to be to me.


Suggests a lot to me about the value of philosophy.



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30 Dec 2011, 2:58 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
^You called me?

Hey. Nothing I can't handle, thanks ... all that relaxin, you know ... just trying to keep myself awake ... all this talk of hard resets, thought a soft boot might be in order ... :lmao:



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30 Dec 2011, 8:46 am

Rodland, if people can tell you are irrationally misogynistic on a web forum, it is definitely not under control. i recall that you expressed regret that a slow member would not be fast enough to catch a woman to rape her. statements like that demonstrate that your feelings are far from controlled. interesting how you even tried to rationalise your feelings by finding some area you believe women are universally inferior. it is a technique used by racists too, who are equally irrational.


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30 Dec 2011, 9:17 am

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i recall that you expressed regret that a slow member would not be fast enough to catch a woman to rape her. statements like that demonstrate that your feelings are far from controlled. interesting how you even tried to rationalise your feelings by finding some area you believe women are universally inferior. it is a technique used by racists too, who are equally irrational.


That was supposed to be some kind of sick humor but probably totally out of place, of course. Sorry, I will try to do better.



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30 Dec 2011, 9:24 am

Rodland wrote:
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i recall that you expressed regret that a slow member would not be fast enough to catch a woman to rape her. statements like that demonstrate that your feelings are far from controlled. interesting how you even tried to rationalise your feelings by finding some area you believe women are universally inferior. it is a technique used by racists too, who are equally irrational.


That was supposed to be some kind of sick humor but probably totally out of place, of course. Sorry, I will try to do better.

thank you.


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30 Dec 2011, 10:14 am

I dislike certain types of women, just as I dislike certain types of men. I stereotype based on initial impressions.

I dislike a lot of types in the abstract but I find that I like most people when I interact with them. Ive known people who claimed to like people in the abstract but who are very critical and dismissive at the individual level. It may be that you have misogynistic leanings in the abstract (based on your personal experiences) but that it doesnt really translate to the individual. That doesnt seem as bad to me.

It's applied ugliness that I find offensive. But people can't help their secret prejudices.



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30 Dec 2011, 10:19 am

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I dislike certain types of women, just as I dislike certain types of men. I stereotype based on initial impressions.

I dislike a lot of types in the abstract but I find that I like most people when I interact with them. Ive known people who claimed to like people in the abstract but who are very critical and dismissive at the individual level. It may be that you have misogynistic leanings in the abstract (based on your personal experiences) but that it doesnt really translate to the individual. That doesnt seem as bad to me.

It's applied ugliness that I find offensive. But people can't help their secret prejudices.


That makes sense to me. I'm probably quite racist in abstract but not personally.



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30 Dec 2011, 10:24 am

simon_says wrote:
I dislike certain types of women, just as I dislike certain types of men. I stereotype based on initial impressions.

I dislike a lot of types in the abstract but I find that I like most people when I interact with them. Ive known people who claimed to like people in the abstract but who are very critical and dismissive at the individual level. It may be that you have misogynistic leanings in the abstract (based on your personal experiences) but that it doesnt really translate to the individual. That doesnt seem as bad to me.

It's applied ugliness that I find offensive. But people can't help their secret prejudices.

i doubt that it is as hidden as you believe it to be. i do not think that a person can be racist or sexist in the abstract without it translating into their interpersonal relationships.


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30 Dec 2011, 10:26 am

I think they can if they're aware of it. Also, everyone is racist, so it would help to know about it. I'm probably slightly scared of black people in abstract, having not seen one until I was 18, but in person they're like anyone else.



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30 Dec 2011, 10:33 am

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I think they can if they're aware of it. Also, everyone is racist, so it would help to know about it. I'm probably slightly scared of black people in abstract, having not seen one until I was 18, but in person they're like anyone else.

no, not everyone is racist. just because you may be racist doesn't mean that other people are. i don't think it's possible to hide it. for example, i doubt that you are best friends with anyone from the racial group you are prejudiced against, nor are you probably dating those people. plus there are other less obvious ways you probably discriminate whether you are aware of it or not.


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30 Dec 2011, 10:39 am

That doesn't reflect my experience at all. If anything I have a 'thing' for black women, probably for the same reason of novelty I'm wary/curious of black men. And the people I actually know are individual people so abstract ideas don't apply. Remember, unlike nonautistics, autistics' consciousness is on a higher level than our issues; we can think our way around things and hold simultaneously conflicting views, etc.

Everyone is racist, some just don't know it or won't admit it.



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30 Dec 2011, 10:46 am

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That doesn't reflect my experience at all. If anything I have a 'thing' for black women, probably for the same reason of novelty I'm wary/curious of black men. And the people I actually know are individual people so abstract ideas don't apply. Remember, unlike nonautistics, autistics' consciousness is on a higher level than our issues; we can think our way around things and hold simultaneously conflicting views, etc.

Everyone is racist, some just don't know it or won't admit it.

having a "thing" for a certain race... can also be considered racist. so your example doesn't work.

once again, not everyone is racist just because you are. one generalisation that can be made about auties is that they have Theory of Mind issues, which you seem to be demonstrating here. you don't seem to be able to understand that not everyone suffers from the same issues as you, and not everyone thinks as you do. your abstraction doesn't work on the individual level, to use your own words.


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30 Dec 2011, 10:49 am

Maybe you're incorrectly generalising from your beliefs that you yourself aren't racist.



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30 Dec 2011, 10:57 am

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Maybe you're incorrectly generalising from your beliefs that you yourself aren't racist.

there is no generalisation involved, as i believe people are individual in whether they are racist.


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