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Sometimes it's hinted at or implied without using those direct words - enough to leave the loophole of, "I never said that!"

I suppose it'll be pointless to argue that since we've had this discussion before to no effect. Some people on here are genuine woman-haters... but not many of them. Most are merely frustrated with what some women have done to them in the recent or distant past and that's not mysogyny.

it IS misogyny if they apply negative generalisations to all women. it is fine to complain that one certain woman (or select women) in their life behave in a certain way, but it isn't ok to state that ALL women (or even most women) are like that. this is not a forum for hate, it is a support forum for all groups of people. frustration is not an excuse to behave badly.

if you believe an insult is implied by a post, you can always report it to a moderator (as listed the WP.net subforum).

The last guy I saw who said he was just frustrated with what a few women had done to him went on to boast as a result he hates all women. One thing that stood out was bragging that he knocked an elderly woman aside when she was in his way, because all women deserved his contempt.

When I removed his thread (as a moderator on that particular forum) he threatened to track down my real name and address and suggested bad things might happen to me if I didn't reinstate the thread.

When I see men who are hostile to women and use how some women treated them as an excuse, I see a rationalization for misogyny, nothing more.

Also, the OP declared elsewhere on the forum that the people criticizing his post didn't understand it. It seems this was not correct, and many do clearly understand what he was saying and have rational, logical disagreements. I don't really put much stock in the empirical validity of evolutionary psychology. It may identify trends, but I do not think those trends mean "inherent biological instincts" instead of other things like socialization (as Hyperlexian pointed out).

And I am reminded why I don't usually come into this forum.

gak, TallyMan nicknamed it the "firepit"

Yeah, I'm not surprised. At least with PPR you know what you're getting into, but here the name and purpose look so damned innocuous.

Comfort respect and lots of hugs.

in theory, yes. But in practice you get a lot of people who come here in the hopes of learning why their dating lives suck. What we get is something like this.
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I swear ive heard that story before. In any case he sounds liike someone just full of hate, not just hate for women. Thats the thing about people who discriminate, they find many things to. From color, race, gender, orientation, disabilities, etc.

But that said he does sound textbook misogynist. Someone who feels he has been abused by women and has thus gained a hatred of them. The same thing happens with gender reversed all the time yet very little is ever done besides "ohh he deserved it". Comments like "all men are pigs" "wheres all the good men gone" etc just show how in our popular culture there is a strong divide over what is acceptable to say and what is actually hate. But in the same way that hate crimes seem to be from white to colored sexism seems to always be followed from men to women. The oposite is called "being fair"

As soon as I master the "make people laugh" thing, I'll get right on it. Believe me, I will!

Let's try a joke: "How do you know when you're talking to an extroverted man with Asperger's Syndrome?" "He looks at YOUR shoes when he's talking to you!"

In any case, if you ask the jaded women, they'll tell you all about how horrible men are. If you ask the jaded men, they'll tell you all about how horrible women are. All it takes is a millisecond of thought after that to realize that both men and women have ways of being horrible to one another, your particular prejudice is nothing more than a function of which particular gender you got burned by.

Right?

Now see, this is something I never wondered. I'm usually lucky if I know I'm on a date when I'm on a date. Another reason I don't come in here is that having a dating life isn't that interesting to me. Also, I figured out the answer long before I knew I was autistic.

Anyway, I am sorry if I came across as minimizing anyone's struggles. That was not the point I was going for.

I've never told that story before, and it only happened a month or two ago. I would be completely unsurprised if others experienced similar in the past, and I've certainly encountered similar stories from others.

I don't know if he is full of hate. I know that some people who hate some groups of people in particular ways are likely to hate other groups in similar ways, but not always. But hating more than one group doesn't mean he's not misogynist. It means he is misogynist and something else as well. But the thing is the only thing he talked about was how much he hated women.



Actually, a lot of misogynist comments are considered culturally acceptable. Hating all men is not a good or healthy thing, and assuming all men behave the same way is not any better than assuming all women behave the same way. The issue is who is impacted the most by negative attitudes and empirically speaking, women are more negatively affected by sexism than men. This doesn't mean no man is ever negatively affected.

As far as hate crimes go, they do not designate specific classes as protected, but specify crimes based on class. Laws about racist hate crimes cover attacking anyone because of race, white or not. It is my experience that this is not clearly understood by a lot of people simply because they assume that only the marginalized classes of people are protected.

But that's getting into PPR territory.

Was going to reply to that but like you said, its more into ppr. But saying women are more negatively affected by hate is not something i agree on.

I didn't say women are more negatively affected by hate. I said women are more negatively affected by sexism. By changing that to "hate" you're shifting the goalposts. Most men I know - many of whom I actually like as people - have been sexist at some point. They don't "hate women" but their perspective on who and what women are and should be is skewed because society is skewed. Women earn less than men in the same occupations (with a very few exceptions), and have had to fight hard to get into mathematic, scientific, or technological careers due to prejudice against women in those fields. This is all factual and easily verified.

Also, I meant the hate crime legislation was PPR. I was about to go into a long digression on hate crimes, criticism of hate crimes, demographics of those most affected by hate crime legislation, but that was veering way off topic. The rest of it seemed relevant here.

Well I still think it is good to emphasize that we should not be throwing around terms like misogynist or sexist without truly having an understanding of the situation or what has been said. I am not saying anyone in particular, the point is to not point the finger but to stay open minded and keep discussions constructive, this us versus them attitude really isn't productive in any way and I agree that both sexes are most likely to be equally guilty of it.

Some men like to blame their problems with women on status or not having enough wealth so they don't have to accept responsibility that it's themselves they need to improve, it's the charisma and social skills that are hindering their progress in relationships or employment. Some women like to point the finger at men to alleviate responsibility so yes, I think it is apparently happening on this forum and it is something that isn't going to be productive in discussions or debates.

Very well said and I agree wholeheartedly! Sweeping generalizations (negative OR positive) don't help anyone.