Why DO males take the responsibility for initiating?

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18 Apr 2014, 12:54 am

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I feel like killing someone.
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18 Apr 2014, 2:17 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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naturalplastic wrote:
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Most men want both sex and a relationship. Most women ditto.
But male sexuality is more aggressive. Men not in relationships still want sex.


do you have any evidence to back this statement up, or is it just your own baseless supposition?


LOL!

Young ladies make tons of money as streetwalkers selling themselves to male clients.

Young men also make money as streetwalkers- selling themselves to male homosexual clients.

But young men do not make money as streetwalkers selling themselves to women driving by in cars. There are no male only brothels for heterosexual women clients. If there are where do I apply to work for one?


When primitive tribes fight wars- women are part of the spoils. You dont see women waging wars- slaughtering all of the women in the next tribe to steal the men.


i repeat, do you have any evidence to back your statements up, or are they all just baseless suppositions? to clarify: when i say evidence, i mean things like research studies on large and varied sample groups with controls whose findings have been repeated in other studies--you know, proper empirical evidence. or are you going to continue to site your own (faulty) observations and personal experience and call that objective evidence for your argument?


Well, to be fair, Yuzu and few other women on WP kept saying in many posts and in THIS THREAD that males have a higher sex drive and less control on their urges yet you've never confronted them like that, so it's not only naturalplastic who believes that.


the comment i questioned was not about men having higher sex drives, which i understand to mean males think about and desire sex more often than females do (--i have seen enough empirical evidence for that in the past to believe that to be true). what i was questioning was the statement that male sexuality is more aggressive, which i take to mean as the male sex drive is somehow innately more aggressive compared to the female sex drive. that to me suggests that males are inherently more aggressive in their sexual desires and behaviour than females are in theirs, and i think that's a problem because i don't think the evidence supports that. i would agree that our culture encourages the male gender to be more aggressive (that stupid song blurred lines would be a good example of such stupidity), but i don't think it's fair to conclude that all male sexuality is inherently more aggressive across the board. i think that pathologises male sexuality in a way that is dangerous and unfair to all the many men in the world who may have high sex drives but aren't sexually aggressive because they have the ability--like most human beings--to control their impulses when they choose to.



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18 Apr 2014, 3:09 pm

starvingartist wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
starvingartist wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Most men want both sex and a relationship. Most women ditto.
But male sexuality is more aggressive. Men not in relationships still want sex.


do you have any evidence to back this statement up, or is it just your own baseless supposition?


LOL!

Young ladies make tons of money as streetwalkers selling themselves to male clients.

Young men also make money as streetwalkers- selling themselves to male homosexual clients.

But young men do not make money as streetwalkers selling themselves to women driving by in cars. There are no male only brothels for heterosexual women clients. If there are where do I apply to work for one?


When primitive tribes fight wars- women are part of the spoils. You dont see women waging wars- slaughtering all of the women in the next tribe to steal the men.


i repeat, do you have any evidence to back your statements up, or are they all just baseless suppositions? to clarify: when i say evidence, i mean things like research studies on large and varied sample groups with controls whose findings have been repeated in other studies--you know, proper empirical evidence. or are you going to continue to site your own (faulty) observations and personal experience and call that objective evidence for your argument?


Learn to read.
What I stated were not baseless suppositon but stating obvious facts.

Okay I will play along with your joke.

You know you're right.

We have to worry about our sons, fathers, and brothers, being abducted and raped by women all of the time.

Then there is the problem of women raping other women in prisons!

You starvingartist are so lucky to be female because you dont have to worry being raped. Men almost never rape. And women only get raped in prison by other women!.

Joking over.

Im only stating the obvious.

Since you're denying the obvious its up to you to cite scientific evidence. Not me.

So lets hear it: your evidence that I am wrong that "male sexuality is more agressive than that of females"?


Do YOU have anything other "baseless suppositions" to spout?



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18 Apr 2014, 3:36 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
starvingartist wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
starvingartist wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Most men want both sex and a relationship. Most women ditto.
But male sexuality is more aggressive. Men not in relationships still want sex.


do you have any evidence to back this statement up, or is it just your own baseless supposition?


LOL!

Young ladies make tons of money as streetwalkers selling themselves to male clients.

Young men also make money as streetwalkers- selling themselves to male homosexual clients.

But young men do not make money as streetwalkers selling themselves to women driving by in cars. There are no male only brothels for heterosexual women clients. If there are where do I apply to work for one?


When primitive tribes fight wars- women are part of the spoils. You dont see women waging wars- slaughtering all of the women in the next tribe to steal the men.


i repeat, do you have any evidence to back your statements up, or are they all just baseless suppositions? to clarify: when i say evidence, i mean things like research studies on large and varied sample groups with controls whose findings have been repeated in other studies--you know, proper empirical evidence. or are you going to continue to site your own (faulty) observations and personal experience and call that objective evidence for your argument?


Learn to read.
What I stated were not baseless suppositon but stating obvious facts.

Okay I will play along with your joke.

You know you're right.

We have to worry about our sons, fathers, and brothers, being abducted and raped by women all of the time.

Then there is the problem of women raping other women in prisons!

You starvingartist are so lucky to be female because you dont have to worry being raped. Men almost never rape. And women only get raped in prison by other women!.

Joking over.

Im only stating the obvious.

Since you're denying the obvious its up to you to cite scientific evidence. Not me.

So lets hear it: your evidence that I am wrong that "male sexuality is more agressive than that of females"?


Do YOU have anything other "baseless suppositions" to spout?


even though you were incredibly rude in your response, i will answer you civilly.

i'm not going to lay out all the evidence all over again myself, since it's been done elsewhere (including on this site) to death. the info is there if you're willing to read it.

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postxf253095-0-15.html Is Male Sexuality Inherently Predatory?

http://everydayfeminism.com/2013/06/male-sexuality/

http://goodmenproject.com/noseriouslywhatabouttehmenz/on-sexual-aggressiveness/

http://scienceblogs.com/worldsfair/2009/05/05/the-caveman-mystique-pop-darwi/

that's just to start--there's lots more out there. happy reading! :wink:



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18 Apr 2014, 4:52 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
starvingartist wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
starvingartist wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Most men want both sex and a relationship. Most women ditto.
But male sexuality is more aggressive. Men not in relationships still want sex.


do you have any evidence to back this statement up, or is it just your own baseless supposition?


LOL!

Young ladies make tons of money as streetwalkers selling themselves to male clients.

Young men also make money as streetwalkers- selling themselves to male homosexual clients.

But young men do not make money as streetwalkers selling themselves to women driving by in cars. There are no male only brothels for heterosexual women clients. If there are where do I apply to work for one?


When primitive tribes fight wars- women are part of the spoils. You dont see women waging wars- slaughtering all of the women in the next tribe to steal the men.


i repeat, do you have any evidence to back your statements up, or are they all just baseless suppositions? to clarify: when i say evidence, i mean things like research studies on large and varied sample groups with controls whose findings have been repeated in other studies--you know, proper empirical evidence. or are you going to continue to site your own (faulty) observations and personal experience and call that objective evidence for your argument?


Learn to read.
What I stated were not baseless suppositon but stating obvious facts.

Okay I will play along with your joke.

You know you're right.

We have to worry about our sons, fathers, and brothers, being abducted and raped by women all of the time.

Then there is the problem of women raping other women in prisons!

You starvingartist are so lucky to be female because you dont have to worry being raped. Men almost never rape. And women only get raped in prison by other women!.

Joking over.

Im only stating the obvious.

Since you're denying the obvious its up to you to cite scientific evidence. Not me.

So lets hear it: your evidence that I am wrong that "male sexuality is more agressive than that of females"?


Do YOU have anything other "baseless suppositions" to spout?


There is no 'obvious', but only things that are 'obvious' to you. These 'obvious' things may not always be facts.

Rape isn't aggressive sexuality. It is more like sexualised aggression.


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18 Apr 2014, 6:22 pm

Way tl;dr.

If anyone wants to get together with me for casual sex or an LTR, then we will have to work together on the project from beginning to end. I've had pushy people of both sexes approach me, and it just doesn't work. Similarly, if someone wants to send me subtle signals from across the room and never make any effort to have some time alone with me, they won't get anywhere either.

Also, your generalizations apply only to your experience, and usually reveal a lack thereof.



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18 Apr 2014, 6:55 pm

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^I feel like wanting to eat mammoth meat.

Oh wait, you're confusing me, there are no mammoths anymore.



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There are no male only brothels for heterosexual women clients.


That can be a good business idea for a niche market.


I wanna eat abalone meat!



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22 Apr 2014, 2:59 am

starvingartist wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
starvingartist wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
starvingartist wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Most men want both sex and a relationship. Most women ditto.
But male sexuality is more aggressive. Men not in relationships still want sex.


do you have any evidence to back this statement up, or is it just your own baseless supposition?


LOL!

Young ladies make tons of money as streetwalkers selling themselves to male clients.

Young men also make money as streetwalkers- selling themselves to male homosexual clients.

But young men do not make money as streetwalkers selling themselves to women driving by in cars. There are no male only brothels for heterosexual women clients. If there are where do I apply to work for one?


When primitive tribes fight wars- women are part of the spoils. You dont see women waging wars- slaughtering all of the women in the next tribe to steal the men.


i repeat, do you have any evidence to back your statements up, or are they all just baseless suppositions? to clarify: when i say evidence, i mean things like research studies on large and varied sample groups with controls whose findings have been repeated in other studies--you know, proper empirical evidence. or are you going to continue to site your own (faulty) observations and personal experience and call that objective evidence for your argument?


Learn to read.
What I stated were not baseless suppositon but stating obvious facts.

Okay I will play along with your joke.

You know you're right.

We have to worry about our sons, fathers, and brothers, being abducted and raped by women all of the time.

Then there is the problem of women raping other women in prisons!

You starvingartist are so lucky to be female because you dont have to worry being raped. Men almost never rape. And women only get raped in prison by other women!.

Joking over.

Im only stating the obvious.

Since you're denying the obvious its up to you to cite scientific evidence. Not me.

So lets hear it: your evidence that I am wrong that "male sexuality is more agressive than that of females"?


Do YOU have anything other "baseless suppositions" to spout?


even though you were incredibly rude in your response, i will answer you civilly.

i'm not going to lay out all the evidence all over again myself, since it's been done elsewhere (including on this site) to death. the info is there if you're willing to read it.

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postxf253095-0-15.html Is Male Sexuality Inherently Predatory?

http://everydayfeminism.com/2013/06/male-sexuality/

http://goodmenproject.com/noseriouslywhatabouttehmenz/on-sexual-aggressiveness/

http://scienceblogs.com/worldsfair/2009/05/05/the-caveman-mystique-pop-darwi/

that's just to start--there's lots more out there. happy reading! :wink:



The "Warrior Genes" is on the X Chromosome, making women who have it only carriers but doesn't affect their behavior while it would affect males who have it; about 30% of males have it.

http://news.brown.edu/pressreleases/2009/01/hotsauce

Also Testosterone is linked to aggression and dominance, which they may be motifs to violence:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/19 ... 110900.htm

Males have much more testosterone, it has facilitative effect on violence besides other factors ofc.

It is not clear tho if rape behavior is linked to this warrior gene. In wars, rape often happens intentionally as a humiliation tactic. However, other studies show that only rapists of males get aroused over violence and nonconsensual sex: http://www.johnbriere.com/mc&b.pdf. Most males are incapable to get aroused over the idea of violent and nonconsensual sex.