WTF is up with this "entitled to sex" meme?

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Maybe at your university it's "obviously polemical and dismissible", but in the real world you don't get to wave your hand and simply declare something so obviously wrong as to not even require addressing simply based on it's web address. Aside from the fact that CATO is a widely respected think tank who's work in criminal justice, among other areas, is often cited in court, the article I posted was simply hosted there and was not "official" content; here's the author's personal page, so you can "assess" her work without that scary CATO taint: http://maggiemcneill.wordpress.com/




No, I didn't, I contested someone else's assertion, and provided links to argumentation, I never demanded anything.

Also, I wouldn't want you to do any research for me, as you're clearly dismissing anything that goes against your politics without actually taking a look and seeing if there's anything to it, which is anathema the intellectually curious such as myself.




You're talking regulations on par with an organ market, where as I'm much more lassez faire about regulations generally, being a libertarian and all. Your way would lead to soft prohibition and push people not willing or able to meet all of the requirements right back onto the street, where all the violence happens, while I happen to think that the potential consequences of under-regulation are better than those of over-regulation.



Nothing wrong with the fleshlight, it's your condescending tone that's the problem; "go f*ck your textured rubber sock, perve!" isn't exactly a statement calculated to win support or allies.

Actually it's because of the high injury rate in industrial accidents that I'm even more against legalising prostitution in practice. OSHA or here in the UK the HSE doesn't always adequately protect industrial workers - and that's in highly regulated environments.

Prostitutes, even where it's legal, still face a lot of danger. The fact is if you're a prostitute, you're in a very vulnerable position with a stranger who may wish to hurt you and is almost certainly physically stronger than you.

Alex should open an e-shop for sex toys on this site.

It would be way more useful and lucrative than AspieAffection.

Many jobs coem with dangers, if legalizing something can minimalism the dangers, especially to a great degree, why not? There will always be prostitution, just like there will always be drugs and a black market. The important thing is, if it is legalized it makes it much safer. Also, it brings in tax revenue that could be used on that sort of service instead of something else like sales tax. I rather have a tax on prostitution than a higher sales, or gas tax.

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How on earth can you even THINK of comparing having to allow strangers to physically enter your person in the most intimate and vulnerable act that exists to normal acts of day to day living? You have NO IDEA what it is like for women, ZERO.

Yeah, well, Dox and I are like opposite people so ....

Not to mention, he is FAR more dedicated to winning debates than I am .... and he's not bad at it, either

Anyway.

There are valid debates since obviously not everyone is the same, but I was arguing from the standpoint of the downsides of trying to legalize and legitimize prostitution. I actually have mixed feelings on whether that could help or hurt, but it certainly is not some universal, simple solution. We have to recognize the downsides of the industry if we are going to consider legalizing and legitimizing it. Just because there are vocal members of the industry claiming they want to do it, and just because there is some potential that legalization will reduce the downsides, does NOT mean there is not still a HUGE proportion in the industry feeling coerced and forced. They aren't going to be the ones speaking out, for the obvious reasons.

Anyone who thinks a 16 or 17 year old has made a fully conscious choice to start in this profession is 100% an idiot, and there are still regular reports around here of adult men pimping out teenage girls. As a mother to teenage girl, NO WAY would I do ANYTHING to legitimize a profession that includes an element like that.

I think I can recognize the validity of some of the arguments in the legalization debate while still being absolutely appalled at the false correlations NobodyKnows insists on drawing. I've gotten more and more emphatic in trying to explain them simply because he seems unable to understand that they exist, and just how dark they really are. I find that baffling and, well, insanely demoralizing.

We certainly can NOT consider prostitution to be an answer to the idea that some men feel entitled to have sex, which was the position that brought me into this argument. I say the men have to change their ideas, period. The world does not owe them a supply of women.

Dox, I think (maybe?) you'll agree with that, if nothing else.

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No, as Dox pointed out, you're really talking about a back-door ban, like abortion restrictions in Texas.

I contrasted your moral indignation about prostitution with your passivism about deadly labor coercion.

Forced labor AKA slavery and its equivalents is universally acknowledged as wrong. But that is not what you started out making comparisons to. You made comparisons to our more-or-less privileged lives that, gee wiz, still require us to be productive in one way or another, but give us lots of choices on how to do that. Being drawn to something dangerous for the extra money it pays is NOT the same as what happens in prostitution.

Hmm, in every country's history there is times of anarchy, what do you think happens then?
When everyone is going wild do you think screaming at them they are not entitled is going to save your day? Hmmm? don't think so. you would become that meat on their menu.

Your right, there needs to be a mental change, BUT, its not just the men whom needs to change their outlook its the women as well. even though most don't women can go out and get laid most any time they want because there are men out there that would screw just about any hole, while many men can't, just look at the ratio of prostitutes for women then there are for men.. Men were built to crave sex as a need, ignoring those things by telling them to go masturbate or get counseling or that their simply not entitled solves nothing, thats just telling them to go phuck them selves without helping them resolve their own biological dilemmas.

I am more inclined for there to be medications ready for males that helps turn off their sex drives yet are not harmful to them or their reproduction capabilities. there are a LOT of men whom would love to be able to turn off their sex drives until they can find an actual mate. do this and I about guarantee you that the porn and prostitution industry's would take major hits in the pocketbooks and there would be a lot less teen pregnancies and less need for abortions and rape cases would go way down.

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Lol when my son was 12 he wrote a utopia paper in which they had little pills available to kill your sex drive. He was so disgusted with the behavior of other boys his age, and he wanted no part of it ... although his hormones were trying to drag him into the fray kicking and screaming.

I don't think such a pill would be a bad idea, as along as no one can force it onto anyone, of course. Don't we all have times we wish our instincts didn't have to be intentionally squashed?

You've conveniently remembered that I compared your privileged life to something, while conveniently forgetting what I compared it to. That was back on page 2. We were still discussing the "entitled to sex" meme. We were not discussing rape, prostitution, or even actual sex acts.

You also need to defend your characterization of Americans as "more-or-less privileged." You make more in one hour than several billion of the world's people can hope to make in a 20 hour workday.



You're even more ignorant of men, given your characterization of workplace risks:



Is that how you think it all works? A bunch of Evel Knievels raking in the cash?

I think your son will be a wonderful person when he grows up.

He already is

I was not here on page 2. Therefore, I didn't forget it; I never read it. Blame me for that if you will, but I addressed the comment you wrote in the direct context in which you wrote it. I don't have time for 9 pages of discussion.

What moral indignation about prostitution? Again, you seem to have me confused with someone else. And no, of course I'm not passive about deadly labor coercion. There is however a limit to the number of things I'm going to write about at once. The subject here is prostitution.