Why are strong women seen as the enemy?

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03 Jul 2014, 7:32 am

I liked it when you posted that picture of the wolf and the sheepdog punching in.

This is most applicable to this situation.



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03 Jul 2014, 8:09 am

There's really nothing wrong with friends advocating for friends. No conflict of interest there.

Anyway...I do wish Ann would post that picture! LOL



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03 Jul 2014, 11:47 am

Wait... someone here has friends ? How did that happen ?

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03 Jul 2014, 11:50 am

Toy_Soldier wrote:
Wait... someone here has friends ? How did that happen ?

:lol:


Shocking, isn't it? :D



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03 Jul 2014, 11:58 am

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Shocking, isn't it? :D


Yes, quite so. Scandalous even. But I must admit I wonder sometimes what it would be like. Does it hurt?

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03 Jul 2014, 12:04 pm

Toy_Soldier wrote:
Does it hurt?


Yes.

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03 Jul 2014, 12:22 pm

OOM, your reply's either mindblowingly tonedeaf or completely disingenuous.

One, "she just needs to get laid!" is standard male aggressive/belittling/dismissive language. If you don't know that, stop and take a hard look at when it's used. And don't do it. People have already told you that it's insulting. Thanks though for reminding me of something that ought to go in the draft sexism-moderation policy.

Two, my sex life isn't your business unless I invite you to discuss it.



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03 Jul 2014, 12:26 pm

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Having someone "begin and end by going to work" to take care of you is not a trivial thing. Really is not. And for you to sit there and talk about how tough and strong you are, and how weak others are, while those very women are looking after themselves and others without someone else's help...I think you better rethink that one.


Okay, I can't speak to any accusations with regard to OliveOilMom's toughness, but the above quote has led me to wonder where I fit on the hierarchy. I receive ODSP support payments for being to anxious and depressed to function. But, I don't rely on a man. So am I in any way tough. I'm thinking probably a "no?"


It's not a contest. The problem's that OOM insists on belittling other people, describing herself as strong and them as weak, because they're aware of problems in how women are treated and she is not. If you're going to do that to me, you'd better show up with one goddamn fancy tap dance.



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03 Jul 2014, 12:30 pm

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Funny, I actually remember one of Nights' posts a few months ago (which was the first time I personally had seen him post), and in it he mentioned that he knew SA. I happen to agree with both of them a lot of the time and guess what? I've never been to Canada, never met either of them.

Does that mean I'm in on the conspiracy, too?


you must have done it without even letting yourself in on your conspiratorial intentions--how sneaky and duplicitous you are! :lol:

i have spoken many times on this forum of my brother/bff and i thought it was pretty obvious that Nights was the person i was talking about; i didn't realise i was legally required to disclose which people participating in threads i'm participating in who happen to agree with me are my friends IRL and which of those i haven't met IRL. i must have missed that bit in the site TOS. funny no one has mentioned it before dox47 did, you would think someone else would have pointed out my oversight to me.....unless..............

unless, that is, it's complete and utter BS, the idea that my having a friend IRL and that he comes here sometimes and participates in discussions and that he shares some of my opinions and cares about many of the same issues that i do is somehow a conspiracy and is a "conflict of interest".

because dox, if you truly believe that, then in all seriousness you need to get a hold of yourself. that kind of unreasoned paranoia about conspiracies can be a sign of something going not quite right in your mind. you may want to talk to someone about it if it's causing you difficulties in your life/relationships. as someone who was diagnosed with bipolar disorder many years ago and has some experience with paranoia and hallucinations/delusions of persecution, i assure you i am not joking--it is a very unhealthy way to think, but there is help for it.



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03 Jul 2014, 12:50 pm

A thought: one does not truly gain strength through belittling others.....



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03 Jul 2014, 1:07 pm

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It's not a contest. The problem's that OOM insists on belittling other people, describing herself as strong and them as weak, because they're aware of problems in how women are treated and she is not. If you're going to do that to me, you'd better show up with one goddamn fancy tap dance.


I guess my point (and this is not specifically regarding OliveOilMom, as I don't know her situation,) but I do not view the situation of one partner supporting the other financially as one of weakness for either of them. This is one of those things that's acceptable in a couple relationship. There are other ways to contribute to the relationship. With regard to my disability situation, I am striking a relationship with society and basically offering nothing in return. Honestly I'm not sure which situation I prefer (I've been in both.) I have been exploring writing for publication in a local magazine which could lead down a productive path. But I have been told by others that contributions to society don't have to come from employment.

Anyway:

[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=mxPgplMujzQ[/youtube]

With regard to people not understanding where others are coming from or what their experiences bring to the table, I think most of us are sometimes guilty of that.
But, there are many kinds of strength.



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03 Jul 2014, 1:37 pm

Ann2011 wrote:
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It's not a contest. The problem's that OOM insists on belittling other people, describing herself as strong and them as weak, because they're aware of problems in how women are treated and she is not. If you're going to do that to me, you'd better show up with one goddamn fancy tap dance.


I guess my point (and this is not specifically regarding OliveOilMom, as I don't know her situation,) but I do not view the situation of one partner supporting the other financially as one of weakness for either of them. This is one of those things that's acceptable in a couple relationship. There are other ways to contribute to the relationship. With regard to my disability situation, I am striking a relationship with society and basically offering nothing in return. Honestly I'm not sure which situation I prefer (I've been in both.) I have been exploring writing for publication in a local magazine which could lead down a productive path. But I have been told by others that contributions to society don't have to come from employment.

Anyway:

With regard to people not understanding where others are coming from or what their experiences bring to the table, I think most of us are sometimes guilty of that.
But, there are many kinds of strength.


Oh, I completely agree. The problem was that OOM was setting up this relative scale based on nonsense. If OOM insists on using cartoon-macho standards for her own definitions of weak and strong, and use them to call me weak, I'll play. She won't like it, though.



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03 Jul 2014, 1:59 pm

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03 Jul 2014, 2:11 pm

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03 Jul 2014, 2:14 pm

starvingartist wrote:
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Funny, I actually remember one of Nights' posts a few months ago (which was the first time I personally had seen him post), and in it he mentioned that he knew SA. I happen to agree with both of them a lot of the time and guess what? I've never been to Canada, never met either of them.

Does that mean I'm in on the conspiracy, too?


you must have done it without even letting yourself in on your conspiratorial intentions--how sneaky and duplicitous you are! :lol:


Oops, I missed this. You're absolutely right - I was conspiring without knowledge I was conspiring. Talk about a conflict of interest! :lol:



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03 Jul 2014, 3:33 pm

Eureka13 wrote:
starvingartist wrote:
Eureka13 wrote:
Funny, I actually remember one of Nights' posts a few months ago (which was the first time I personally had seen him post), and in it he mentioned that he knew SA. I happen to agree with both of them a lot of the time and guess what? I've never been to Canada, never met either of them.

Does that mean I'm in on the conspiracy, too?


you must have done it without even letting yourself in on your conspiratorial intentions--how sneaky and duplicitous you are! :lol:


Oops, I missed this. You're absolutely right - I was conspiring without knowledge I was conspiring. Talk about a conflict of interest! :lol:


If you conspire to conspire about something, but don't ever actually get around to conspiring about it, is that conspiracy too? Would it be illegal under RICO? Say we talked about starting a mafia. An actual mafia (as if we could do that sort of thing) and we decided that we wanted to get together and talk about it and plan it out. But the whole thing turned into talking more about the get together where we would conspire and then it fell apart because of the arguments about where we would meet, what to serve and who to invite, would that still be conspiracy? After all, we were conspiring to conspire. Or is it only conspiracy when you conspire to do a particular thing, rather than to plan it?

I'm still not awake and my caffiene and nicotine levels aren't up to normal limits yet, so I'm not very focused and will probably just take one word or idea and run with it. Ignore the yammering if it bothers you please. I'll eventually wake up. I slept late because I was wore out from that seriously deep cleaning I did in my den yesterday. And a bit sore too. But it still looks great.


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