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13 Jul 2014, 4:07 pm

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What is it with people taking a well known fact (that women DO get raped and sexually assulted, and this is too common) and then come up with the argument, "Oh, what about the MEN. It's a small number but it still happens to them"...completely ignoring the fact that the problem is largely affecting women.

I just think it is so selfish to take it out of context and minimise the problems women face - by stating that it happens to men too, so the women should stop complaining (??). What sort of a counter-argument is that anyway? It's completely irrational.


Who said anything about women not complaining about it? And, considering that rape is about power and not sex, could it not be that a larger portion of men get raped than you think? That they don't report it because they see it as taking their masculinity away?

I've actually made a point throughout this thread of saying cooperation would do far more good than our genders having little wars with one another


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13 Jul 2014, 4:08 pm

This sounds to me like social phobiasim Laddo, try to not care what strangers do.



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13 Jul 2014, 4:10 pm

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This sounds to me like social phobiasim Laddo, try to not care what strangers do.


That could well be true, I suppose.


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13 Jul 2014, 4:11 pm

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All of these types of threads seem to devolve so quickly.


Yeah, another rape and harassements thread; not saying these aren't major issues but... please, let it be discussed in dedicated threads?



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13 Jul 2014, 4:14 pm

In all honesty, I thought the original topic was interesting. I don't understand how it was sexist or making assumptions.


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13 Jul 2014, 4:15 pm

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The real problem is, men keep being portrayed as the enemy, people to be feared. I'm tired of women crossing the road when I'm walking towards them just because I'm male and tall


Women have every right to their safety as well as you. So women aren't allowed to even protect themselves? Of course they don't know who you are, but why should they take the risk just to protect your ego?


No offense Laddo, but I think you might kinda assuming too much or imagining stuff? What made you think in the first place that they were crossing the road because you were walking toward them and because you're tall and man? They were probably just crossing the road! Also observing people's movements that much might make you look across as a potential predator.


It's pretty obvious if they're glancing back at me as they cross. Just like women do it just when I'm walking behind them even in a well-lit, busy street. I don't stare at them, but that doesn't mean I can't see it.

Starvingartist, I didn't say anyone was saying they don't happen to men. I'm saying they're glossed over. Did anyone even notice the earlier post by a male member about his fear of people in general? Or did they just assume he was female...?


what everyone here is trying to explain to you in various different ways is that when those women do that (cross the street, etc), they are not rejecting you personally. they simply have no way to know what sort of person you are, but feel the need to be cautious because of their past experiences with OTHER (as in, NOT YOU) male strangers. it is not a personal judgment on you, it really has nothing to do with you personally. you are there, you are male, she is female and alone, therefore there is a risk for her and she is acting to protect herself. you could have been any man and she would have reacted the same way. it's not about you. it is caution from experience. stop taking it as a personal rejection and that might go far in reducing some of your resentment against women for being distrustful of male strangers.



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13 Jul 2014, 4:15 pm

smudge wrote:
In all honesty, I thought the original topic was interesting. I don't understand how it was sexist or making assumptions.


because it is sexist, read page 2 for why.



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13 Jul 2014, 4:15 pm

Ok, I'm willing to keep it to other threads if other people are. They are major issues. I've probably gone about it for too long though, so I'll just agree that more women are subjected to it by men than any other group.

But I do think the fact that most men do deal with things in different ways is important. We may find it harder to get over being single, yes, but it's not right we're asked to change that


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13 Jul 2014, 4:20 pm

starvingartist wrote:
Laddo wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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Laddo wrote:
The real problem is, men keep being portrayed as the enemy, people to be feared. I'm tired of women crossing the road when I'm walking towards them just because I'm male and tall


Women have every right to their safety as well as you. So women aren't allowed to even protect themselves? Of course they don't know who you are, but why should they take the risk just to protect your ego?


No offense Laddo, but I think you might kinda assuming too much or imagining stuff? What made you think in the first place that they were crossing the road because you were walking toward them and because you're tall and man? They were probably just crossing the road! Also observing people's movements that much might make you look across as a potential predator.


It's pretty obvious if they're glancing back at me as they cross. Just like women do it just when I'm walking behind them even in a well-lit, busy street. I don't stare at them, but that doesn't mean I can't see it.

Starvingartist, I didn't say anyone was saying they don't happen to men. I'm saying they're glossed over. Did anyone even notice the earlier post by a male member about his fear of people in general? Or did they just assume he was female...?


what everyone here is trying to explain to you in various different ways is that when those women do that (cross the street, etc), they are not rejecting you personally. they simply have no way to know what sort of person you are, but feel the need to be cautious because of their past experiences with OTHER (as in, NOT YOU) male strangers. it is not a personal judgment on you, it really has nothing to do with you personally. you are there, you are male, she is female and alone, therefore there is a risk for her and she is acting to protect herself. you could have been any man and she would have reacted the same way. it's not about you. it is caution from experience. stop taking it as a personal rejection and that might go far in reducing some of your resentment against women for being distrustful of male strangers.


Maybe I should. There's probably some of the resentment that this thread is all about residing in me, to be honest. That's just how I am, though. I can't change it. I don't doubt that a lot of men do get hung up over being single, although for me a lot of it is based on my most recent ex's treatment of me. Maybe for some of the people posting about being tired of being single it's the same. Or they're jealous of seeing people seemingly incredibly happy together in relationships. I still think it applies to men and women equally, though


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13 Jul 2014, 4:21 pm

starvingartist wrote:
Laddo wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
smudge wrote:
Laddo wrote:
The real problem is, men keep being portrayed as the enemy, people to be feared. I'm tired of women crossing the road when I'm walking towards them just because I'm male and tall


Women have every right to their safety as well as you. So women aren't allowed to even protect themselves? Of course they don't know who you are, but why should they take the risk just to protect your ego?


No offense Laddo, but I think you might kinda assuming too much or imagining stuff? What made you think in the first place that they were crossing the road because you were walking toward them and because you're tall and man? They were probably just crossing the road! Also observing people's movements that much might make you look across as a potential predator.


It's pretty obvious if they're glancing back at me as they cross. Just like women do it just when I'm walking behind them even in a well-lit, busy street. I don't stare at them, but that doesn't mean I can't see it.

Starvingartist, I didn't say anyone was saying they don't happen to men. I'm saying they're glossed over. Did anyone even notice the earlier post by a male member about his fear of people in general? Or did they just assume he was female...?


what everyone here is trying to explain to you in various different ways is that when those women do that (cross the street, etc), they are not rejecting you personally. they simply have no way to know what sort of person you are, but feel the need to be cautious because of their past experiences with OTHER (as in, NOT YOU) male strangers. it is not a personal judgment on you, it really has nothing to do with you personally. you are there, you are male, she is female and alone, therefore there is a risk for her and she is acting to protect herself. you could have been any man and she would have reacted the same way. it's not about you. it is caution from experience. stop taking it as a personal rejection and that might go far in reducing some of your resentment against women for being distrustful of male strangers.


Crossing roads is a bit extreme reaction unless Laddo looked like a drooling giant spider, a too obvious threat. Yes I am aware that women are sometimes too wary in some streets but I think laddo was simply having social phobia moments.



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13 Jul 2014, 4:24 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
starvingartist wrote:
Laddo wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
smudge wrote:
Laddo wrote:
The real problem is, men keep being portrayed as the enemy, people to be feared. I'm tired of women crossing the road when I'm walking towards them just because I'm male and tall


Women have every right to their safety as well as you. So women aren't allowed to even protect themselves? Of course they don't know who you are, but why should they take the risk just to protect your ego?


No offense Laddo, but I think you might kinda assuming too much or imagining stuff? What made you think in the first place that they were crossing the road because you were walking toward them and because you're tall and man? They were probably just crossing the road! Also observing people's movements that much might make you look across as a potential predator.


It's pretty obvious if they're glancing back at me as they cross. Just like women do it just when I'm walking behind them even in a well-lit, busy street. I don't stare at them, but that doesn't mean I can't see it.

Starvingartist, I didn't say anyone was saying they don't happen to men. I'm saying they're glossed over. Did anyone even notice the earlier post by a male member about his fear of people in general? Or did they just assume he was female...?


what everyone here is trying to explain to you in various different ways is that when those women do that (cross the street, etc), they are not rejecting you personally. they simply have no way to know what sort of person you are, but feel the need to be cautious because of their past experiences with OTHER (as in, NOT YOU) male strangers. it is not a personal judgment on you, it really has nothing to do with you personally. you are there, you are male, she is female and alone, therefore there is a risk for her and she is acting to protect herself. you could have been any man and she would have reacted the same way. it's not about you. it is caution from experience. stop taking it as a personal rejection and that might go far in reducing some of your resentment against women for being distrustful of male strangers.


Crossing roads is a bit extreme reaction unless Laddo looked like a drooling giant spider, a too obvious threat. Yes I am aware that women are sometimes too wary in some streets but I think laddo was simply having social phobia moments.


To be fair though, it could also be the hositlity people sometimes feel towards aspies. Either explanation is pretty likely


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13 Jul 2014, 4:25 pm

It does seem somewhat overkill if the women are literally crossing the road every time a tall bloke walks anywhere near them.
Especially in cities and such places, where it is often quite difficult to cross the road.

But to be fair to these random women, I have never seen the bloke in question.
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For all I know, he might look like this -

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13 Jul 2014, 4:28 pm

I can't say that I do look like that. I look pretty plain, to be honest. But there could be something about me that I can't see that is blatantly aspie or something, which wouldn't make it that unlikely random people would cross the street


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13 Jul 2014, 4:29 pm

@Ladywoofwoof, knock it off with the flame baiting or you'll be taking time off the site.


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13 Jul 2014, 4:32 pm

Ladywoofwoof, I am willing to call a truce to... whatever the hell is going on if you will stop trolling me


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