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Alliekit
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06 May 2016, 5:19 am

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I know many men still find this hard to understand, partly because they have no direct experience of the kind of silencing, talking over, ridicule, discrimination and judgment that women in our culture have always experienced under social and cultural assumptions of paternalism and patriarchal ideas of gendered behavior


Tell us B19, when is that even happened in the women's forum? Provide concrete examples and let's see if that attitude is that common in there.

Honestly, I had seen ridiculing/judgements/silencing attempts between female users in there and in L&D too (between a user whom her username that starts with N and another user its username starts with W, and between N and H...and between W and...a lot of users)

I agree only with hurtloam here, THIS is the scenario which is more often happening:

Person A says something generalized, Person B is very oversensitive and dramatic, takes the comment too personally and do drama about it and calls Person A bad and sexist.

As for those guys who are making real sexist threads, are being fairly ridiculed by other guys, and those OPs get warned or locked.

I mean, if someone makes a thread 'Men are weird' and she explained why she thinks so, I would just laugh, not offended.

Also using the Report button is more efficient and less stirring.


Um you ridiculed my post for wanting women's opinions. Just saying



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06 May 2016, 5:26 am

:lol:


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06 May 2016, 5:48 am

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Um you ridiculed my post for wanting women's opinions. Just saying



Show me where.



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06 May 2016, 6:04 am

I only wish I could read more various perspectives than now. I considered all said members males/females here as contributors (yeah, even Katy seriously) to open their own unique views. Some views could sound more bitter or judgemental but that's what they've learned from their own experiences. And I've learned a lot from them.


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06 May 2016, 6:09 am

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Personally I fail to see any problems on L&D forum. Really.
It's not the forum that's the problem; it's some of the people who use it.


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06 May 2016, 6:12 am

Name them.



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06 May 2016, 6:16 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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Um you ridiculed my post for wanting women's opinions. Just saying



Show me where.


viewtopic.php?f=27&t=315303&start=30

I said twice I didn't want to argue about it with you. And yet you were sarcastic and overbearing and had to have the last word.

I'm gunna say again I can't be bothered to argue with you I juse want a more sacred women's forum



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06 May 2016, 6:28 am

If you don't want to argue with him, then stop arguing with him!

If he says something against you, then just don't respond to it.

Report it, instead.

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One of the issues worth mentioning regarding member abuse in the L&D forum - or any forum, for that matter - is the apparently selective inaction by moderators. Once a complaint or report against racism, sexism, or general bullying is made, it is as likely to be ignored or dismissed as it is to be acted upon.

@Alex: Would you please impose stricter guidelines on what the moderators should and should not act upon, how quickly they should act, and dismiss those moderators who have done little or nothing since you've appointed them? Setting standards that everyone (including moderators) must follow for what constitutes racist, sexist, and bullying behavior would go a long way toward resolving conflicts between members, and between members and moderators.

Thank you.


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06 May 2016, 6:30 am

I just think we should be civil with each other.

We should take issue with ideas, rather than people.

We should assist the Moderators by practicing self-censorship and self-policing. If somebody gets out of line, we should take that person to task.

Moderators have to have some authority--so people should not try to argue with them or upstage them in "public."

I don't believe many autistic men are the "beneficiaries" of the "patriarchal" system. They are frequently marginalized in at least a somewhat similar matter to how women were marginalized in pre-Feminist days. They should not be treated as if they are members of the "Patriarchy." They should not have to make "reparations" for the very real sins which were committed during the heyday of the "Patriarchy."

I do believe women should have a place to discuss women's issues, and that men should respect it when a woman says, nicely, "men, please do not respond to this thread."



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06 May 2016, 6:32 am

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I said twice I didn't want to argue about it with you. And yet you were sarcastic and overbearing and had to have the last word.



And where exactly I have been sarcastic or overbearing? Which post?



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06 May 2016, 6:35 am

Boo, please stop derailing this thread with your personal issues. Use the PM function, instead.


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06 May 2016, 6:41 am

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Boo, please stop derailing this thread with your personal issues. Use the PM function, instead.


On the contrary, we need to understand other perspectives on what they view as offensive - aren't we all in this thread to tackle this issue? My exchange with her is a concrete example, she sees something ridiculing/overbearing/sarcastic in something I am not even aware of.

Besides, I will never pm her because she would probably accuse me of overstepping it and being overbearing or chaser or something.



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06 May 2016, 6:46 am

I think the above exchange highlights the fundamental problem which was touched upon earlier by another poster - people are more concerned about being right than behaving like reasonable people in this sub forum.


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06 May 2016, 6:48 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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Boo, please stop derailing this thread with your personal issues. Use the PM function, instead.
On the contrary, we need to understand other perspectives on what they view as offensive - aren't we all in this thread to tackle this issue? My exchange with her is a concrete example, she sees something ridiculing/overbearing/sarcastic in something I am not even aware of.

Besides, I will never pm her because she would probably accuse me of overstepping it and being overbearing or chaser or something.
Then if she is so easily provoked, stop provoking her!

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^Constant sniping - and the "rationalization" for it - is one of the reasons why L&D has become unpleasant.


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06 May 2016, 6:52 am

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I think the above exchange highlights the fundamental problem which was touched upon earlier by another poster - people are more concerned about being right than behaving like reasonable people in this sub forum.


I don't think so. You are confusing having different opinions with being right or wrong. Opinions could never be right or wrong, so policing opinions is not a healthy strategy. That's also why feminism, sexism, patriarchy and other "politically correct" topics have no place in L&D. We already have a political forum here, so you leftists can post your opinions there.



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06 May 2016, 6:53 am

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Then if she is so easily provoked, [i]stop provoking her!


You know Fnord, after reconsidering, I think you're right.

Better to avoid her.

Thank you for wise words.



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