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13 Jan 2017, 6:31 pm

Straw-Man Argument : For more clarity, straw-man is where you find the absolute flimsiest possible so-called argument that could possibly be used against a particular perspective, such as the least-credible point that has ever been made by a political/ideological-opponent, then use that and treat it as if though all of their other arguments are just as weak or supposedly invalid, regardless of the strength of the other evidence (frequently taken out-of-context). For example : "A few people were seen on the news who were reported to have engaged in acts of murder with a gun; therefore anybody who even so much as touches or has ever touched a gun automatically becomes an extremely dangerous criminal."

The ACTORS (and CIA MK-Ultra Mind-Controlled shooters) are essentially being used as the straw-men to try and make all gun-owners look like guaranteed threats. Straw-man arguments are also used against so-called Conspiracy Theorists very frequently in order to prevent people from even looking at the real evidence. I now drop a couple of videos to give you an example of the kinds of behaviours that are clearly frequent of those with an agenda...



nurseangela wrote:
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Would someone also explain what a "strawman" is? I hear that thrown around a lot in PPR and I don't really understand the term.


1 an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.
2 a person regarded as having no substance or integrity.


How does that relate to the things that I have posted in this thread? To me, a strawman argument is sounding like a strawman.

You know, this is another thing that pisses me off is when someone comes to me for help and when I try to give them some they totally disregard it and just keep right on "bitching". My own Ma does this and we have gotten into several arguments because of it.


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13 Jan 2017, 6:37 pm

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Would anyone like to hear about my problems? I have a zillion of them, but I want someone who is really concerned and won't just tune me out because it's going to take a couple of hours - at least. Any takers?


If you need someone to talk to, you can PM me, but here is the disclaimer. I may not have advice that can help or rather advise you will accept, you may not like my perspective of your issue I.E. compatibility, but if I can help, I will.


The thing is that women don't usually want advice - they just want someone to listen (most men call it bitching). :mrgreen:


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13 Jan 2017, 6:48 pm

^ so, women just want to complain, basically.


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13 Jan 2017, 6:50 pm

Yes!


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13 Jan 2017, 6:52 pm

This thread is going around in circles :lol:


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13 Jan 2017, 6:56 pm

nurseangela wrote:
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Would anyone like to hear about my problems? I have a zillion of them, but I want someone who is really concerned and won't just tune me out because it's going to take a couple of hours - at least. Any takers?


If you need someone to talk to, you can PM me, but here is the disclaimer. I may not have advice that can help or rather advise you will accept, you may not like my perspective of your issue I.E. compatibility, but if I can help, I will.


The thing is that women don't usually want advice - they just want someone to listen (most men call it bitching). :mrgreen:


If you do not seek advice, how do you fix the problem? You may find the problem lands upon deaf ears.


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13 Jan 2017, 7:02 pm

^ if the complaint falls on deaf ears, that will be complained about too.


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13 Jan 2017, 7:05 pm

blackicmenace wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
blackicmenace wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
Would anyone like to hear about my problems? I have a zillion of them, but I want someone who is really concerned and won't just tune me out because it's going to take a couple of hours - at least. Any takers?


If you need someone to talk to, you can PM me, but here is the disclaimer. I may not have advice that can help or rather advise you will accept, you may not like my perspective of your issue I.E. compatibility, but if I can help, I will.


The thing is that women don't usually want advice - they just want someone to listen (most men call it bitching). :mrgreen:


If you do not seek advice, how do you fix the problem? You may find the problem lands upon deaf ears.


That's exactly right. That's what I mean when I say that a person who keeps repeating the same problem over and over again will not have anyone interested in listening to them because they don't really want to have a solution to the problem - that takes work. It doesn't take much to just sit around talking about a problem, it's doing something about it that takes effort. Most people just want someone to agree with them about their problems so then they feel justified that they have a problem then they just keep shooting down any helpful advice with reasons that it won't work even though they haven't really given the possible solutions a real try. They don't want to own their problems is what I'm trying to say.


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13 Jan 2017, 7:09 pm

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^ if the complaint falls on deaf ears, that will be complained about too.


Naturally conflict will arise as the aspect is from two perspectives.


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13 Jan 2017, 7:11 pm

blackicmenace wrote:
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blackicmenace wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
Would anyone like to hear about my problems? I have a zillion of them, but I want someone who is really concerned and won't just tune me out because it's going to take a couple of hours - at least. Any takers?


If you need someone to talk to, you can PM me, but here is the disclaimer. I may not have advice that can help or rather advise you will accept, you may not like my perspective of your issue I.E. compatibility, but if I can help, I will.


The thing is that women don't usually want advice - they just want someone to listen (most men call it bitching). :mrgreen:


If you do not seek advice, how do you fix the problem? You may find the problem lands upon deaf ears.


There is really a scientific reason to why women just need someone to listen to them talk about their problems - it's because of the side of the brain that women use vs. the side men use. That is also why men usually try to "fix" a woman's problem - they use the opposite side of the brain. Women need to talk about a problem to get the other side of their brain to understand and come to some solution and it also makes them "feel" better.


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13 Jan 2017, 7:14 pm

nurseangela wrote:
blackicmenace wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
blackicmenace wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
Would anyone like to hear about my problems? I have a zillion of them, but I want someone who is really concerned and won't just tune me out because it's going to take a couple of hours - at least. Any takers?


If you need someone to talk to, you can PM me, but here is the disclaimer. I may not have advice that can help or rather advise you will accept, you may not like my perspective of your issue I.E. compatibility, but if I can help, I will.


The thing is that women don't usually want advice - they just want someone to listen (most men call it bitching). :mrgreen:


If you do not seek advice, how do you fix the problem? You may find the problem lands upon deaf ears.


That's exactly right. That's what I mean when I say that a person who keeps repeating the same problem over and over again will not have anyone interested in listening to them because they don't really want to have a solution to the problem - that takes work. It doesn't take much to just sit around talking about a problem, it's doing something about it that takes effort. Most people just want someone to agree with them about their problems so then they feel justified that they have a problem then they just keep shooting down any helpful advice with reasons that it won't work even though they haven't really given the possible solutions a real try. They don't want to own their problems is what I'm trying to say.


Perhaps listening to the advice than implementing it will alleviate the problem.


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13 Jan 2017, 7:20 pm

blackicmenace wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
blackicmenace wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
blackicmenace wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
Would anyone like to hear about my problems? I have a zillion of them, but I want someone who is really concerned and won't just tune me out because it's going to take a couple of hours - at least. Any takers?


If you need someone to talk to, you can PM me, but here is the disclaimer. I may not have advice that can help or rather advise you will accept, you may not like my perspective of your issue I.E. compatibility, but if I can help, I will.


The thing is that women don't usually want advice - they just want someone to listen (most men call it bitching). :mrgreen:


If you do not seek advice, how do you fix the problem? You may find the problem lands upon deaf ears.


That's exactly right. That's what I mean when I say that a person who keeps repeating the same problem over and over again will not have anyone interested in listening to them because they don't really want to have a solution to the problem - that takes work. It doesn't take much to just sit around talking about a problem, it's doing something about it that takes effort. Most people just want someone to agree with them about their problems so then they feel justified that they have a problem then they just keep shooting down any helpful advice with reasons that it won't work even though they haven't really given the possible solutions a real try. They don't want to own their problems is what I'm trying to say.


Perhaps listening to the advice than implementing it will alleviate the problem.


This all ties back to the reason for threads such as this one - are the posters here trying to find advice about how not to be bitter or do they just want to keep being bitter and they are starting a thread to find other bitter people to back each other up and help justify that their bitterness is warranted?


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13 Jan 2017, 7:27 pm

nurseangela wrote:
blackicmenace wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
blackicmenace wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
blackicmenace wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
Would anyone like to hear about my problems? I have a zillion of them, but I want someone who is really concerned and won't just tune me out because it's going to take a couple of hours - at least. Any takers?


If you need someone to talk to, you can PM me, but here is the disclaimer. I may not have advice that can help or rather advise you will accept, you may not like my perspective of your issue I.E. compatibility, but if I can help, I will.


The thing is that women don't usually want advice - they just want someone to listen (most men call it bitching). :mrgreen:


If you do not seek advice, how do you fix the problem? You may find the problem lands upon deaf ears.


That's exactly right. That's what I mean when I say that a person who keeps repeating the same problem over and over again will not have anyone interested in listening to them because they don't really want to have a solution to the problem - that takes work. It doesn't take much to just sit around talking about a problem, it's doing something about it that takes effort. Most people just want someone to agree with them about their problems so then they feel justified that they have a problem then they just keep shooting down any helpful advice with reasons that it won't work even though they haven't really given the possible solutions a real try. They don't want to own their problems is what I'm trying to say.


Perhaps listening to the advice than implementing it will alleviate the problem.


This all ties back to the reason for threads such as this one - are the posters here trying to find advice about how not to be bitter or do they just want to keep being bitter and they are starting a thread to find other bitter people to back each other up and help justify that their bitterness is warranted?


Seems like that would depend entirely on the individual. Motive in participation would vary greatly.


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13 Jan 2017, 7:56 pm

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Another woman bashing thread. Great. Makes you all so much more attractive.


but do you not find it unfair that women have so high standards? i cant respect that. you females what a guy with great self-esteem, not virgin, 30 friends and no mental problems. it makes no sense for me. its not like you females are perfect either. so stop with this high standards.

people ALWAYS say that males are opressors, have it more eazy, are shallow, cheats etc. But when someone say something similiar about females, then god forbid that is so wrong. Double moral on highest level.



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13 Jan 2017, 8:07 pm

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Another woman bashing thread. Great. Makes you all so much more attractive.


but do you not find it unfair that women have so high standards? i cant respect that. you females what a guy with great self-esteem, not virgin, 30 friends and no mental problems. it makes no sense for me. its not like you females are perfect either. so stop with this high standards.

people ALWAYS say that males are opressors, have it more eazy, are shallow, cheats etc. But when someone say something similiar about females, then god forbid that is so wrong. Double moral on highest level.


First of all, I don't bash men unless they bash me first like calling me a "gold digger" when all I want is a Hunny who is an equal. You're lumping all women into one group which is not correct. I don't care how many friends a guy has or if he is or is not a virgin and I would prefer him not to have very many mental problems (who would want someone with a lot of ANY problems?)

I do have high standards because these are the same standards that I expect from myself - a decent job, non-smoker, non-drinker, has a decent home and car, that doesn't have an STD. See, I have no baggage - no kids, no ex-husband, no really big problems so why would I not want someone else who is the same? I don't need the headache of taking on someone else's problems and making them my own to deal with. So yes, I do have high standards and I will not settle.


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13 Jan 2017, 8:13 pm

nurseangela wrote:
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Another woman bashing thread. Great. Makes you all so much more attractive.


but do you not find it unfair that women have so high standards? i cant respect that. you females what a guy with great self-esteem, not virgin, 30 friends and no mental problems. it makes no sense for me. its not like you females are perfect either. so stop with this high standards.

people ALWAYS say that males are opressors, have it more eazy, are shallow, cheats etc. But when someone say something similiar about females, then god forbid that is so wrong. Double moral on highest level.


First of all, I don't bash men unless they bash me first like calling me a "gold digger" when all I want is a Hunny who is an equal. You're lumping all women into one group which is not correct. I don't care how many friends a guy has or if he is or is not a virgin and I would prefer him not to have very many mental problems (who would want someone with a lot of ANY problems?)

I do have high standards because these are the same standards that I expect from myself - a decent job, non-smoker, non-drinker, has a decent home and car, that doesn't have an STD. See, I have no baggage - no kids, no ex-husband, no really big problems so why would I not want someone else who is the same? I don't need the headache of taking on someone else's problems and making them my own to deal with. So yes, I do have high standards and I will not settle.


I can't imagine many men like that being single for long.