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30 May 2007, 2:20 pm

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It's allowed.

Why wouldn't it be OK for me to have sex with a woman then?

"The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles. Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen. Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion," (Romans 1:18-26)

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30 May 2007, 2:26 pm

Ragtime wrote:

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Why wouldn't it be OK for me to have sex with a woman then?

That doesn't really answer my question, but nevermind. :wink:

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30 May 2007, 2:29 pm

Sopho wrote:

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Why wouldn't it be OK for me to have sex with a woman then?

That doesn't really answer my question, but nevermind. :wink:

I don't know why God doesn't like gay sex. I personally don't have a problem with it. But He's God, so I respect His wishes.

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30 May 2007, 2:33 pm

Well then even if I believed in this god, I wouldn't stick to his sex rules if he didn't give any kind of justification for it. It makes no sense at all. Straight people can do whatever, but gay people can't do anything... LOL nice... :roll:

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30 May 2007, 2:43 pm

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That means that you don't believe in devine sovereignty: a rightful holding of absolute authority by God.

So, at least we've now defined the issue you take with God.

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30 May 2007, 2:45 pm

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That means that you don't believe in devine sovereignty: a rightful holding of absolute authority by God.

So, at least we've now defined the issue you take with God.

I don't have an issue with your god because I don't believe in it. LOL

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30 May 2007, 2:47 pm

Ragtime wrote:

Sopho wrote:

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It's allowed.

Why wouldn't it be OK for me to have sex with a woman then?

Actually this is not quoting God or even Jesus for that matter. It is Paul's letter to the Romans about his own interpretation of his own visions. Paul also says such things as he is a sinner and knows nothing. I'm not even so sure this is Paul's interpretation since this would have been translated from Paul's language, which was Greek (unlike the Aramaic Jesus would have spoken). First you have this taken through the gospel commission of the original Catholic Church (which wasn't even around in Jesus time or started by him for that matter). It would have been translated several times after that which is a well known fact taught in theology courses of Church sponsored colleges. So, in actuality, all that verse means is that one man may or may not have interpreted his visions from God in that way. I think Paul understood that better than the people who have used him since. He's the one who recognized he was just a poor sinner trying to understand God and Jesus' purpose.

I wouldn't put too much into this Sopho. People speak for people. Only God can speak to you about what he actually wants. If you don't believe in that, the bible says that you have the free will not to do so. It's your choice.

Besides all that, Congrats on the engagement, Ragtime.

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30 May 2007, 2:52 pm

Oh yeah, congrats Ragtime.
When your'e married, you'll have some help from yr misses. Maybe you'll write a thread about the bible which you dont get pwned in.

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30 May 2007, 3:03 pm

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I wouldn't put too much into this Sopho. People speak for people. Only God can speak to you about what he actually wants. If you don't believe in that, the bible says that you have the free will not to do so. It's your choice.

Wow.

Talk about softpedaling... You kinda stopped short, there -- finish your thought: "It's your choice," aaaand... you really need to think carefully about that choice, because it's really, really important to both your current and eternal health. I'd love to just snap my fingers and change the truth for Sopho, but that doesn't work. Ignoring it doesn't work either.

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Besides all that, Congrats on the engagement, Ragtime.

Thanks.

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30 May 2007, 3:20 pm

Sopho, if I posited that you do not want to know whether there is a god or not, would that be a correct statement -- yes or no?

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30 May 2007, 3:21 pm

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But you asked how my earache leads to good. I don't know how, I just know that it will, because of this: "And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose", Romans 8:28.

no, i asked you why you feel the need to attach a motive to god's will (or specifically; to justify it by assuming that it has a "good" purpose)... you assume that motive is for the greater good. how do you know god doesnt' just dole out X amounts of earaches daily?

you have no way of knowing whether it's for a greater good or not. and you dodged the question...... how do you know what god's motives are? again, you don't.... and is it "good" for god? or "good" for us?

whole plethora of questions you can dance around by quoting scripture

edit: i do like that you talk about your beliefs too btw.... i don't mean to squalch.... just increase bloodflow to brains

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30 May 2007, 3:23 pm

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Sopho, if I posited that you do not want to know whether there is a god or not, would that be a correct statement -- yes or no?

I do not care. I doubt very much whether there is, in the same way that I view the existence of Santa or the Tooth Fairy. I can't prove no god exists, but I don't believe in any.

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30 May 2007, 3:44 pm

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What a mercurial question. You seem to be asking specifically what I "feel", but then ask how I "know" something. I think I answered quite clearly, if not with as much metaphysicality.

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you have no way of knowing whether it's for a greater good or not. and you dodged the question...... how do you know what god's motives are? again, you don't.... and is it "good" for god? or "good" for us?

Ah, I see you're answering your questions for me... so will you actually be needing me for anything else?

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30 May 2007, 3:46 pm

Sopho wrote:

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Sopho, if I posited that you do not want to know whether there is a god or not, would that be a correct statement -- yes or no?

I do not care. I doubt very much whether there is, in the same way that I view the existence of Santa or the Tooth Fairy. I can't prove no god exists, but I don't believe in any.

That would be a "no".

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30 May 2007, 3:47 pm

Ragtime wrote:

Sopho wrote:

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Sopho, if I posited that you do not want to know whether there is a god or not, would that be a correct statement -- yes or no?

I do not care. I doubt very much whether there is, in the same way that I view the existence of Santa or the Tooth Fairy. I can't prove no god exists, but I don't believe in any.

That would be a "no".

If I thought there was much chance of a god existing, then I'd be interested to find out. It's not a case of whether I want to know or not. It's just that I find it too ridiculous to be true.

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30 May 2007, 3:49 pm

so why does bad things happen to good people
if I'm such a good person why do I have AS or the lonelyness and crap I carry
why does God give me that?

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