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02 Feb 2008, 9:36 pm

With no education, $400+ per DAY? Please, show me and I'll drop everything and go do it.


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03 Feb 2008, 1:26 am

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To dismiss the possibility of a relationship with a person based on their job might be letting go of what could be a really happy, fulfilling relationship with a wonderful person.


What if they're a porn actor? Or better yet, what if they're an Escort?
Would you feel comfortable if your hubby decided to beome a Gigolo? You see, sex workers(not precluding strippers)really Do have difficulty with relationships considering that their job involves direct or even indirect sexual behviour towards strangers. Undoubtedly there are strippers who dont whore themselves out but you cannot deny the sexual nature of dancing with your clothes off in front of the opposite sex. Women who like to show off their bodies without having to interact personally with their male audience become burlesque dancers. Strippers on the other hand actually meet and talk to patrons of the club.


Just saying that not all people who are employed as adult dancers fit the stereotypes. For a lot of ladies (or guys) it's a temporary thing, simply a point in their lives that comes and goes, a step from one point to the next. Is it the best step? Perhaps not, but it may beat some alternatives. I try not to judge a person before having enough information.



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03 Feb 2008, 1:44 am

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Just saying that not all people who are employed as adult dancers fit the stereotypes.


I think already acknowledged this about a million times already in this thread. Moreover if a woman I was dating confided in me that she's a former stripper I really wouldnt have a problem with that. But dating someone who's currently
employed as a stripper is another matter altogether. Its not about the kind of person who would do a job like that as claimed by LePetitePrince, is the very NATURE of the job itself.



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03 Feb 2008, 5:50 am

Well, if you have a problem with what she does for a living - for whatever reason - then you should find someone else or go it alone.


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03 Feb 2008, 11:21 am

fabshelly wrote:
With no education, $400+ per DAY? Please, show me and I'll drop everything and go do it.


What's weird (not really) that prostitutes use the same excuse as well.



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03 Feb 2008, 11:51 am

Fair enough fabshelly. That b***h pretty much DID brake things off with me. I suppose its for the better since
she continually accused me of being Stalkerish. But now I really see how a persons job can have a whopping impact on their life and how they relate to people. Perhaps theres a reason why that woman is Still single and has had such a problem with stalkers before....she herself admitted that she thinks her job has something to do with it. What can I say?
She should really take a good hard look at herself and the way she treats men.



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03 Feb 2008, 11:58 am

^ it's not really the 'job' itself ...but the girl/guy who accepts intentionally to work in such kind of job would just have a certain mindset:

-Super Materialistic
-Shallow
-They feel proud about their bodies
-Have no shyness
-Rude
-Players
-Sex maniacs
-See most of the other gender as sex objects
-See the bf/gf just as emotional support
-Money is the primary thing in their life and they'll justify anything for getting it



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03 Feb 2008, 12:32 pm

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^^ They do it for easy money and for mindless effort . In other jobs you need to use your brain in order to succeed.


I dont think its fair to say erotic dancing is 'mindless' or 'effortless' - i would think the ability to move your body in a seductive and highly arousing way takes a certain focus, and youd improve with practice. Its definately not something that would come easily to everyone.

But dont take my word for it, give it a go yourself! (obviously i dont mean with an audience, just at home in front of a mirror)



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03 Feb 2008, 12:40 pm

^^ anyone with a good body can seduce a drunk audience. Now don't try to convince me that seducing is hard as rocket science.... or even as simple trading and accounting.
I don't have a good body , so even if I try it won't work :P.



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03 Feb 2008, 12:58 pm

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I don't have a good body


Theres not really such a thing as a 'good' body if you mean in terms of attraction, just individual opinions & what is considered fashionable in the mainstream at the time. google 'rubenesque' - that was considered the ideal of beauty in that place/era. Roman gladiators had groupies - and they were often obese (natural body armour). Todays super-models would not have gotten much work in the 60s.

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so even if I try it won't work :P.


Fair enough - im not going to either! I just had a thought that, maybe if you explored your own sexuality a little more, then perhaps you wouldnt feel as compelled to comment quite so forcefully on other peoples ;)



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03 Feb 2008, 1:58 pm

You know what Psych, it just so happens that physical beauty(as far people go) is quantitative but not qualitative. There are Many, Many factors that go into what makes someone's body beautiful. I cant tell you just EXACTLY what I find attractive in women cuz there are many things that go into but if you were to show me the image of woman I certainly COULD tell you how attractive I think she is. You see, while there may not be a specific body type that men find attractive in women there is a certain select range(as far as bodyweight goes)that men find desirable. Its not how thin or fat a woman is-its All about the PROPORTIONS! There are certain proportions in terms of hips/waist/bust/booty than turn men on and if for example a woman who is either too fat or too thin will be outside of this range and not considered sexy. Some people really Are considered more attractive than others-not by any specific individual as much as buy Most people who see them. I dont think that stip clubs are looking for an exact bodyweight or measurements, but I DO think they have a certain range of measurements that dancers are expected to fall into in order to get hired. The stark reality is the notion that beauty is the eye of the beholder is an egalitarian myth.



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03 Feb 2008, 2:39 pm

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I think already acknowledged this about a million times already in this thread. Moreover if a woman I was dating confided in me that she's a former stripper I really wouldnt have a problem with that. But dating someone who's currently
employed as a stripper is another matter altogether. Its not about the kind of person who would do a job like that as claimed by LePetitePrince, is the very NATURE of the job itself.


Fair enough.


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03 Feb 2008, 3:02 pm

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Some people really Are considered more attractive than others-not by any specific individual as much as buy Most people who see them


Beauty is mainly objective and ....only ....just only very mildly subjective. Because beauty is pre-determinted in our mind, science has already proved with very strong evidences (ie.The symmetrical face study and the Babies_stare_more_on_attractiveFaces Study) . The media has its effect ....but it's mainly biological , it's our nature that affects the media and the media exploits this nature , not the inverse.

Proof? if someone posts a picture here of a beautiful person , most users will say something like ' oh she's really pretty!!' (ie. Sedaka's picture) but if a monkey-like posts a picture of himself ...most users will say something like "not bad .....you could...yada yada" or almost say absolutely nothing.



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03 Feb 2008, 3:19 pm

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Some people really Are considered more attractive than others-not by any specific individual as much as buy Most people who see them.


'most' - not all.

Attraction isnt purely in fixed physical characterstics in any case (in the sense of bone structure, bodyfat distribution patterns etc) - presence, attitude, movement, aura, subtle changes in body posture, an intriging expression or glow in the eyes - all these can transform someone.



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03 Feb 2008, 4:57 pm

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Attraction isnt purely in fixed physical characterstics in any case (in the sense of bone structure, bodyfat distribution patterns etc) - presence, attitude, movement, aura, subtle changes in body posture, an intriging expression or glow in the eyes - all these can transform someone.


Yes those factors certainld DO contribute but if a woman does NOT have a good body then its Nearly IMPOSSIBLE to hide that when she's dancing right in front of men wearing nothing more than a g-string and stiletto heels.



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03 Feb 2008, 5:51 pm

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Yes those factors certainld DO contribute but if a woman does NOT have a good body then its Nearly IMPOSSIBLE to hide that when she's dancing right in front of men wearing nothing more than a g-string and stiletto heels.


It depends on the audience though - what do those particular men find attractive. If you look on the internet theres clearly a market (however small a niche) for various physical appearances and fetishes that would definately not get a look-in in the average strip-club.

You can make some very reasonable generalizations on whats popular, but i think ultimately you can only dictate with any authority what you personally consider to be good. As you say, attraction is a complex thing & doesnt lend itself to clear explanation.