Will any female here actually admit to liking jerks?

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when a man hits a woman it's instantly classified as domestic abuse (as it should be classified, I'm not arguing that point), but when a woman hits a man it somehow isn't...

Maybe you just "think" you are nice. I've come across men who just thought they were nice and would whine if they didn't get what they wanted from me, would call and invade my personal space when it was unwelcomed, would threaten to hurt themselves if I didn't give in.

Real nice guys don't pat themselves on the back and claim themselves as nice then go on an autistic messageboard and call someone a ret*d.

Maybe you need to examine what is going on internally and do something about it.

Some people that claim to be nice are just full of it. Then there are really nice people.

All of these posts blaming women for not getting what you want shows you aren't a nice person and frankly not alot of women will want you if you have the attitude of entitlement.

You aren't entitled to a super model. You aren't entitled to sex for being nice or playing nice.

Also, when it comes to looks, males are way more picky than women are and won't refrain from telling a woman she's ugly or average in the looks department or criticize her frame.

Guys should quit doing the following.

-Watching porn to learn how to treat women.

-Asking clueless male friends.

-Bashing women for not putting out.

-Acting as though they are entitled to a super model but the women should see past their own outer flaws and accept everything about them.

-Acting as if it's all the woman's fault for not being interested.

-Blaming women for their lack of interest even though it takes two to be interested.

-Failure to understand that these other guys you are watching get what you want probably try more times than you do. If you sulk over being rejected for prolonged periods of time over one female, you're missing out on other chances.





Most women I know don't sit there and jump out there seat and declare "Hey I know, how about I go find a jerk today!"

When guys say stuff like all women want jerks, it really reveals they aren't all that nice themselves and/or wallowing in self pity. That isn't attractive and if you keep just blaming women and not willing to accept anything else, good luck.


-The blunt girl that always gets in trouble for it.

How did this become about me and women "withholding" things? I'm talking about society at large here...

I'm not going to deny that there are still inequalities between the genders, most of which are culturally induced. The salary inequality that pays more to men. The "she deserved it" attitude that still exists to this day towards female rape victims. The objectification of woman in pornography. All these things are appalling in a society that prides itself as being in the 21st century.

But there are other inequalities too. In the dating scene, men are almost always the ones that are expected to initiate. In most child custody cases with divorcing parents, the child is almost always placed under the custody of the mother (even in lieu of shared parenting, which generally only happens if both parties agree to it), and the father has to pay child support for a child that he isn't helping to raise anymore. And to top it off, when a man hits a woman it's instantly classified as domestic abuse (as it should be classified, I'm not arguing that point), but when a woman hits a man it somehow isn't...

When it comes to double standards, the door definitely swings both ways... If you were truly a campaigner for equal rights, you would campaign for removal of all of these double standards, regardless of the gender said standard favors...

Well also, there are lots of women who make up rape claims now, especially against famous people.

So thats a difficult one. Trouble is, there are lots of women in real life who are actually like the people they portray in the porno's, I think most guys are like the men in them lol.

Oh, but all that stuff you mentioned is still not enough for them. They want more and more. It'll never stop. Cause of the past, its probably in most of them to take, take, take. To try and make up for it. I think Gina, is right about when the women beat the men up, the guys are ashamed to admit it.

I actually blame women, having too much power, for ruining television. Its been infected with reality tv.

sinsboldly So what are women fighting for these days?

I think because you have been treated badly by some men in the past, you have predjudice views about men in general.

But YOU said yourself that you seem to be attracted to abuse men. It's not my nature to be abusive but I AM a dominant, controlling person and that's not because of my gender. If I were female I'd most likely be controlling too.

why am I so obsessed with woman's rights?

and when I was a child I could not go to the Jr Achievement like my brother because Jr Achievement didn't take girls. they do now, but not then. Why not? because women like me were 'obsessed' with "women's rights"

when I was date raped and pregnant and he got off with a slap on the wrist and I was forced out of town to live how ever I could by an outraged family that didn't want me to 'shame the family name.' I wasn't known as a 'single mother' but an "unwed mother" and a "wayward" and my child was an illegitimate bastard. I lived on the streets and I went into labor alone in an emergency ward because I didn't have the money or insurance and my child was taken from me by the State of California because I was indigent. It's not like that now, but it was then. Why? women like me obsessed with "women's rights."

I was fired from jobs because I wouldn't sleep with the boss. It sounds archaic, right? something that you could sue and raise a ruckus about. it is now, but not then. Why? women like me that was 'obsessed' with women's rights. I was paid less than men doing the same job and I could take it and like it. Wasn't against any law, it was the norm. Why did it change? because women like me were 'obsessed' with women's rights.

I worked for change in politics during the Nixon years, and the country was pretty low, then. I worked in progressive causes and was expected to make the coffee and sandwiches for the men. That was 'progress' for women, back then. Mentioning it would bring heaps of scorn that you were 'not dedicated' and 'standing in the way of progress, or worse you will never get a man whining like that. When I see that happening still, I know my work is not yet finished, and the way it changes is for me to change it, just like I have been doing all my years - obsessed with 'women's rights."

there is so much that these days are just taken for granted, that weren't 'granted'. People worked for those changes.

and anyway, what would you have me do, roll over and be helpless?

Merle

For one thing, women are expected to put more effort into their appearance. I stopped shaving my legs years ago and guys have commented "you don't shave your legs?" to which I say "why, do you?"
Also, the fact that women should wear make-up and uncomfortable shoes in a business type setting.

I work in male-dominated industries. (I'm a stagehand by trade but have also worked in warehouses, landscaping, construction sites, airport baggage handling, and other labour jobs). Often I'm the only woman and I meet guys who think they have to treat me differently, like maybe I'm not strong enough to lift things, etc. If I couldn't do the job, then I wouldn't be there, would I?

I don't think that false accusations of rape are that common, and if such false accusations are made, they are usually found out (since someone who was actually raped would have a different response to one who is acting the part...) On the other hand, false allegations of domestic abuse are quite common, since they contribute to the adversarial nature of family courts, and they serve to dilute the actual serious cases of domestic abuse...


I would disagree with that. Most women have enough self-respect to stay away from doing pornos...


That isn't something that is exclusive to women, but applies to the entire human species. When humans gain any amount of power, it is human nature to want more. In cultures (especially in some European countries and the northern US) where gender equality is the closest to being 100% realized, women are just as likely as men to be power-hungry and aggressive.


That's not women's fault... you can blame FOX for that... and last I checked the president of FOX, and it's parent company News Corp, are both men...

If I may cut in, can I just state why I think men and women aren't completely equal yet, and why I'm often called a feminist?

For one thing, women are expected to put more effort into their appearance. I stopped shaving my legs years ago and guys have commented "you don't shave your legs?" to which I say "why, do you?"
Also, the fact that women should wear make-up and uncomfortable shoes in a business type setting.

I work in male-dominated industries. (I'm a stagehand by trade but have also worked in warehouses, landscaping, construction sites, airport baggage handling, and other labour jobs). Often I'm the only woman and I meet guys who think they have to treat me differently, like maybe I'm not strong enough to lift things, etc. If I couldn't do the job, then I wouldn't be there, would I?

If I may cut in, can I just state why I think men and women aren't completely equal yet, and why I'm often called a feminist?

For one thing, women are expected to put more effort into their appearance. I stopped shaving my legs years ago and guys have commented "you don't shave your legs?" to which I say "why, do you?"
Also, the fact that women should wear make-up and uncomfortable shoes in a business type setting.

I work in male-dominated industries. (I'm a stagehand by trade but have also worked in warehouses, landscaping, construction sites, airport baggage handling, and other labour jobs). Often I'm the only woman and I meet guys who think they have to treat me differently, like maybe I'm not strong enough to lift things, etc. If I couldn't do the job, then I wouldn't be there, would I?