Bigotry against involuntarily celibate men

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Well, for one thing, never getting a girlfriend is an effect of one or more causes, while spewing toxic misogyny is an effect of an over-reaching sense of entitlement coupled with a denial of one's own responsibility for not getting a girlfriend.Unfortunately, that happens all too often. The other extreme is that he is gay.I understand that you've had a rough life, and that you may have some real disadvantages when it comes to socializing with women. Unfortunately, my past efforts at giving advice in this area have resulted in open hostility toward me from those seeking advice, and more than one gentle warning from moderators.

Most lonely guys are not "incels."

By definition they are.
Most people
Don’t think of the violent incels when they hear the word, most people don’t even know about the violent group or it’s exist.
No one calls that guy in California a incel

"Incel" is a title best avoided. It has acquired a meaning much more specific than merely "involuntarily celibate."

So has feminist and Muslim but the left says it doesn’t matter and you can’t taint a word cause some are bad. Why no such defense of incel?
Find me a word that’s not been tainted

The hypocrisy is annoying.
I’ll stop using incel in its proper use when people stop using feminist

A Muslim is a person who follows the Islamic religion. There SHOULDN'T be a judgement based upon one being a Muslim. It's a religion. There are good Muslims and bad Muslims.

Feminism has many meanings----some good, some not so good.

"Incels" who are part of "Incel" websites----now that's a different story. They just have stupid ideas. I don't see too much "good" within those folks who post on that website.

Have you read about the term love-shyness as well as Brian Gilmartin's study?

Neither should there be a judgement placed in incels there’s good ones and bad ones
If you can’t see the hypocrisy I’m don’t talking to you.
How about we don’t condem any group based on the action of a few. Otherwise all groups are up for grabs.

99% of incels are not on those f*****g sites but you’d gladly condem all of them for the actions of those on those sites.
Does wrongplanet represent millions of autistics who aren’t on this site? ?? Or does it just represent the ones here??

So how about you say the incel website people are bad instead of condemning all incels and saying they can’t call themselves incels otherwise people can conde Muslims and tell the good ones not to call themselves Muslims anymore or any other group of people. There’s bad apples in every single group. Wp has had its bad apples should we all be condemned because of them?
Quite a few aspies are super anti nt and condem all nts. Just as it’s not ok for people to condem is for the actions of shooters or mean aspies you can’t condem all us Incels

Done with this thread the hypocrisy is too much and oddly enough it’s usually from people of a certain political leaning.

You didn’t read what I said, buddy.

And don’t say you’re “done” with me WTF, Man....I’ve been your friend here for years.

I said nothing to insult involuntary celibates. Only those on those websites,

I recommend a movie about a similar story called "Revolutionary Road". It's really good.

A man is labeled a misogynist and entitled if he does not show any interest in a woman who tries to flirt with him. He is labeled a misogynist and entitled if he dares smiles or heaven forbid says hello to a snobby woman who regards herself as too good for him. So many people will just scream out misogyny and entitled at any man because it is the latest fad! Good luck to the guys who leave their Western country and move to another country that does not have a bunch of mindless sheep screaming misogyny and entitled at the guy every single day.

Or if he dares to say to some woman that her idea happens to be totally dumb and nonsense, this is happening here a lot.

Did anyone watch that Cynical Reviews video I posted from YouTube. He's a shy guy virgin who highlights how the whole incel website thing is a dark black hole. He shows the difference between an internet absorbed mind warped individual called an incel and dudes who just can't find a girlfriend.

There is a difference. You don't want to use the term incel.

To be fair, I actually don't want to use the term feminist to describe myself because of how it's been distorted even though we all know I'm quite human rights oriented and liberal leaning. Thats why I'm even more baffled by an insistence on the claiming of the word incel. I don't claim a word that once would describe me because of how it has been distorted.

Well, the very word "feminism" implies favoring one group rather than equality. That's why I prefer terms like egalitarianism and humanism. If you adopt a philosophy which focuses on equality for everyone, you don't need to worry about any special philosophy to focus on the rights of a particular group.

It seems like it would be a dark black hole, like the sort that can turn a person into their own worst enemy. I mean sure people need to vent sometimes, but it sounds like whatever this incel culture is, is more about creating a cesspool of toxicity for lonely men to fall into and be devoured by. I mean for instance, sometimes I get frustrated with myself and I'll say 'oh I'm so stupid', 'oh I'm an idiot' even though I don't really mean those things I still certainly feel a little worse after saying it, If I consistently did that I might soon believe I really am a complete idiot. I have to imagine since incel has such a negative meaning to a lot of guys including those who identify as such referring to themselves as that can't be helping their mental state.

Basically the whole thing seems unhealthy so I would feel wrong about encouraging it.

Part of the problem with that though, is there are a lot of places in the world women are still oppressed and have greatly limited rights compared to men. So feminism would be important for women in those regions because that is how they can fight the status quo and get equal rights.

I'd say feminism is more of a stage, not the final goal...that should be humanism. But where women don't have equal rights feminism is still an important part of the process. In places that is more resolved it would probably be better for the focus to move towards egalitarianism.