Roissy's 16 Commandments

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I disagree but I can't really explain why given the restrictions placed on me in this forum.

funny how you complain about women's sexuality these days,
but you praise a guy who advocated a "No-stoning" policy towards harlots.
Therefore didn't Jesus contribute towards the very thing you're complaining of?
i just think it's a little funny

You obviously have no idea what the "no-stoning" incident was about. I am reluctant to quote the bible since much of it would violate the rules of this forum. But I will take the risk in this case:

8:1 but Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. 2 Early in the morning he came again to the temple. All the people came to him, and he sat down and taught them. 3 The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in adultery, and placing her in the midst 4 they said to him, “Teacher, this woman has been caught in the act of adultery. 5 Now in the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. So what do you say?” 6 This they said to test him, that they might have some charge to bring against him. Jesus bent down and wrote with his finger on the ground. 7 And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, “Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 And once more he bent down and wrote on the ground. 9 But when they heard it, they went away one by one, beginning with the older ones, and Jesus was left alone with the woman standing before him. 10 Jesus stood up and said to her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?” 11 She said, “No one, Lord.” And Jesus said, “Neither do I condemn you; go, and from now on sin no more.”

I am an ethnically Jewish atheist, but there is far more wisdom to be found in any religion than in the politically correct insanity of modern culture.

I'd rather be titled a "Professional Douche" than be someone who walked around having no selection in women.

That's a no-brainer.

From the point of view of someone like me, who's love-shy and incel as many Aspies are, I must agree there are rotten aspects.

American, British and other similarly individualistic cultures hold clear dangers, encouraged by individualism, for those who don't fit the mould, and certainly for love-shy, incel men. They hold clear dangers in the form of bullying and ostracisation, in a wide range of different forms. This is often very traumatic for love-shys and incels as they run a risk of persecution based on misperceptions of their sexuality, in a way that happens more in the west/English speaking world due to their sexual liberalism.

Greater loneliness is a feature as people who are accused of being different are cast out more easily, and it doesn't matter who you stand on in order to get what you want as the very ego-oriented nature of such societies also makes them very competitive.

Of course, these rotten aspects will not affect as much those in the society's inner bubble, probably the majority, who fit that society's personality better. But wouldn't you agree that how a society treats those of its members who are different and therefore vulnerable is a good indicator of how rotten, or wholesome, it is? Governments in the more individualistic countries provide better for their citizens, especially vulnerable citizens, financially, but I'm talking on a societal level.

Lol, the creation of buzzwords, the inability to discuss topics without having people at the top screaming that people need to be offended if they in any way are defenders of their race/gender/creed, even for trying to point out that there are scientific differences in wiring a constructive/awareness kind of way - that's progressive influence. Fathers being attacked by the judicial system, it was happening even worse from the 1960's forward for African americans with LBJ's New Deal where the father was not allowed to stay if benefits were needed. In the US it started in the 1920's in academia and ever since its been a culture battle between those who wish to keep society as self-reliant as possible and making their own rational decisions vs. those who don't believe society can do so and thus desire to move to a centrally planned structure where you're technically not supposed to think outside of what you've been taught, directly or indirectly, by the elites.

Yes, the relationship world has never been perfect, just that it had a great chance to get much better but got snapped right back up again by people who wanted to get control and needed to get anyone in their pocket that they possibly can to do so. There are plenty of feminists out there who can't stand the victimhood movement.

No-one is actively fighting the prejudice aimed at incel men, which is a true and genuine suffering for them.

How do you indentify a guy at that type? Or more importantly, how do you tell a guy is not of that type? Only one of those commandments would really make you stand out (be irrationally self-confident). The others are just internally developed by any guy used to having a lot of options. Possibly because of what great guys they are.

Involuntary celebacy can be an issue for anyone, men and women (to guys who want to say a woman can always find it, I suggest you think of the 50 year old spinster, and not the 20 year old anything). And we've been down this road with Johnisblind a few dozen times, about who owes who sex. There is an easy solution, albeit an illegal one.

I realize its genuine suffering, but there is no prejudice in following one's instincts and being driven towards men who display the outward signs of fertility (the basis upon which sociologists figure our attractions are made). But, seriously, the married men I know - they didn't all meet those criteria way back when. I know one highly highly successful man that went through horrible weight issues in his twenties, and from the pictures I've seen he wasn't very attractive back then. But my friend married him, just as he was. And now he's incredibly rich ... sure, NOW he could get anyone he wants; he's lost weight, gained fame. But SHE was the one who loved and supported him through it all, and he thankfully isn't one of those imbeciles who throws away Mrs. Loyal and Understanding for the trophy wife.

I don't know what kind of "fighting for rights" you want to see happen. I want to squash like a bug every man who talks about women having a few ounces of extra weight, but I'm pragmatic enough to realize people are attracted to what they are attracted to, and if they can keep their mouths shut about the women they don't find attractive (which, unfortunately, they can't), then it isn't my business. What is so different? Are men really doing better than women at being kind to the other gender? That one example of how men OPENLY mock women with a little weight kind of says it all ... they aren't.

Sex comes with extra restrictions because it is basically about one thing: procreation.

I know it isn't easy, and I know it is frustrating ... but, no, I don't see where "rights" come into play. This is one thing that we may all be driven to obtain, but that none of us can expect to get. It has always been that way and always will be, because procreation is survival business, and not pursuit-of-happiness business.

I don't have a problem doing what it takes to find a relationship that provides a solution, as long as the bargain suits the woman, as well. If you want to import a bride who would otherwise live in poverty and is happy to make the trade, go for it. That part of fs's agenda doesn't bother me; what bothers me is that he can't de-couple his solution from his hatred of American women, and his equal disdain of the men who enter into relationships with them.

The Sixteen Commandments

by Roissy

I. Never say ‘I Love You’ first

Women want to feel like they have to overcome obstacles to win a man’s heart. They crave the challenge of capturing the interest of a man who has other women competing for his attention, and eventually prevailing over his grudging reluctance to award his committed exclusivity. The man who gives his emotional world away too easily robs women of the satisfaction of earning his love. Though you may be in love with her, don’t say it before she has said it. Show compassionate restraint for her need to struggle toward yin fulfillment. Inspire her to take the leap for you, and she’ll return the favor a thousandfold.

Women talk. We know after the fact who said what first.

II. Make her jealous

Flirt with other women in front of her. Do not dissuade other women from flirting with you. Women will never admit this but jealousy excites them. The thought of you turning on another woman will arouse her sexually. No girl wants a man that no other woman wants. The partner who harnesses the gale storm of jealousy controls the direction of the relationship.

And we can't all see which husband or boyfriend is willing to flirt, and which is not? Of course we can. It's obvious. And it's baaaadddd.

III. You shall make your mission, not your woman, your priority

Forget all those romantic cliches of the leading man proclaiming his undying love for the woman who completes him. Despite whatever protestations to the contrary, women do not want to be “The One” or the center of a man’s existence. They in fact want to subordinate themselves to a worthy man’s life purpose, to help him achieve that purpose with their feminine support, and to follow the path he lays out. You must respect a woman’s integrity and not lie to her that she is “your everything”. She is not your everything, and if she is, she will soon not be anymore.


Another one that is easy to see. We know which husbands were on the golf course while the wife was in labor, and which ones rushed to her side. And we do not think well of the one who stayed on the golf course.

An important business trip, we deal with. But the guy should be offering, "honey, I'll come home, I think my boss will be OK with it," and the wife (or girlfriend, if this is courting) should be the one saying, "no, honey, I adore that you offered, but your career is important for our family, and I'll be fine."

IV. Don’t play by her rules

If you allow a woman to make the rules she will resent you with a seething contempt even a rapist cannot inspire. The strongest woman and the most strident feminist wants to be led by, and to submit to, a more powerful man. Polarity is the core of a healthy loving relationship. She does not want the prerogative to walk all over you with her capricious demands and mercurial moods. Her emotions are a hurricane, her soul a saboteur. Think of yourself as a bulwark against her tempest. When she grasps for a pillar to steady herself against the whipping winds or yearns for an authority figure to foil her worst instincts, it is you who has to be there… strong, solid, unshakeable and immovable.


It depends on what rules we're talking about. My husband and I don't really have rules in our relationship, unless "you respect my needs, I'll respect yours" makes a rule. Overall, remember: women talk. If a woman has asked her husband not to smoke around the baby and he does it anyway ... we ALL know.

V. Adhere to the golden ratio

Give your woman 2/3 of everything she gives you. For every three calls or texts, give her two back. Three declarations of love earn two in return. Three gifts; two nights out. Give her two displays of affection and stop until she has answered with three more. When she speaks, you reply with fewer words. When she emotes, you emote less. The idea behind the golden ratio is twofold — it establishes your greater value by making her chase you, and it demonstrates that you have the self-restraint to avoid getting swept up in her personal dramas. Refraining from reciprocating everything she does for you in equal measure instills in her the proper attitude of belief in your higher status. In her deepest loins it is what she truly wants.

Lol, that one is too funny. Calls and texts .. yeah, OK, I think most women expect men to be less communicative. Gifts ... no way. And do I know what gifts my female friends are getting? You bet.

VI. Keep her guessing

True to their inscrutable natures, women ask questions they don’t really want direct answers to. Woe be the man who plays it straight — his fate is the suffering of the beta. Evade, tease, obfuscate. She thrives when she has to imagine what you’re thinking about her, and withers when she knows exactly how you feel. A woman may want financial and family security, but she does not want passion security. In the same manner, when she has displeased you, punish swiftly, but when she has done you right, reward slowly. Reward her good behavior intermittently and unpredictably and she will never tire of working hard to please you.


I don't know, some women like that, some don't, but the man I'm thinking of ... he took it way too far. You can't stay married with unpredictability. The guy is like a two year old sometimes. Incredibly charming, but totally unreliable. And, yes, women talk.

VII. Always keep two in the kitty

Never allow yourself to be a “kept man”. A man with options is a man without need. It builds confidence and encourages boldness with women if there is another woman, a safety net, to catch you in case you slip and risk a breakup, divorce, or a lost prospect, leading to loneliness and a grinding dry spell. A woman knows once she has slept with a man she has abdicated a measure of her power; when she has fallen in love with him she has surrendered nearly all of it. But love is ephemeral and with time she may rediscover her power and threaten to leave you. It is her final trump card. Withdrawing all her love and all her body in an instant will rend your soul if you are faced with contemplating the empty abyss alone. Knowing there is another you can turn to for affection will fortify your will and satisfy your manhood.

Keep a back up plan, and you'll be using it. Guaranteed. The man I'm thinking of was always working on the next back up plan; you think we didn't all SEE it? WOMEN TALK.

And ... I've tired of going through point by point.

You get the gist.

When a man acts that way in a relationship, the woman observes, or her friends observe, and it is most certainly noticed. Once noticed, is known. Because, never forget, WOMEN TALK. We learn quickly what we can expect from an average guy, and what to give up on. Each woman balances it out differently, but some things few are willing to take. An unreliable man who never even tries to put the family and relationship first is not going to stay with that family or relationship.

Some of the other stuff ... just funny.

But remember one thing: why would you want to be in a permanent relationship as an actor? You have to be in it as you.

That is a pretty solid method, and it's great you have such a strong network like that. Players do capitalize on the unknown a lot. They can play up being new, fun, and interesting for a while, but then it gets real old. Unfortunately, with detatched modern society and the internet, it's never been easier for these guys to do what they do. Not that it's bad, but any woman not looking for short term fun should be as clued in as you are.

It was just worrysome to see other stories about run-ins with these guys on here, and all the focus was on them being super-cocky jerks. That's like saying you identify gay guys by thier black leather cowboy outfits.

It is definitely easier when you are dealing with a limited pool, where there is some chance for that inside information. The guy I mentioned ... I think most women would be naturally suspicious of him, because of his profession (musician), but he is really really charming when he wants to be. But armed with what I know, I'd never introduce him to anyone I cared about, and if they were going to meet by chance, I'd make sure they were well warned. NOT someone to ever be in a long term relationship.

You are right, you can't identify the players by how good looking they are, what kind of work they do, or even cockiness. You have to get to know them, and hopefully check out a few inside sources.

I met my husband through my sister, who knew him from church. He came with impeccable references. I highly recommend the old fashioned methods.

This list was nearly the same as what my cousin was spouting off a couple years ago when he read some book to improve himself. Now he's broke, divorced, lives at home, and no worthwhile woman will go near him. He just picks up wasted chicks at bars... if that's what you want your life to be like, then go ahead and follow the commandments.

HAH!! !! that is a great story.

Judging by that last commandment, the one that encourages "bold touching," it's also a great way to get charged with date rape and/or sexual assault.

--XFG