Why are people agiants prostitution?

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24 Sep 2011, 2:19 pm

I think prostitution should be legal.



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25 Sep 2011, 2:41 am

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I am just wondering why people have this negative bias towards prostitution?

There was some aspie who paid a whore and it made him feel a lot better.




What is wrong with a prostitute?

It gives wrong message to society that women are object of sexual gratification.


You sound like you are parroting what you were taught in school like a good widdle boy!


Yes I believe people with ASD tend to live by those cheesy rules you learn in schools.
But Prostitution is harmful. Many women have committed suicides over prostitution.
Do you want to know the statistics of how many porn stars have died?
why don't you look it up on pinkcross.com?
If you truly know how prostitutes felt about being used/raped for money, you'd know what to do to avoid harming individuals in that way. Unless your main object in life is by raping as many woman discreetly and feel good about really robbing someone's life. Using a term like Whore also reveals someone's weak character. a respectful gentleman would never use a word like whore to describe a woman.

Are you a believer that some women should be "punished" and raped in our society?

Because I am a believer that No woman should be sexually exploited or raped or objectified.

Money should be "used" and must be used to earn "love", "trust" and "attraction" from other parties.

Having or inserting a penis into a complete stranger's body especially when the feeling of love, trust and attraction is not mutually shared, is a devastating crime. Truly One of the sickening things you can do to a human being.

Let me repeat the last sentence.

Truly one of the sickening things you can do to a fellow human being.

But someone with such a weak moral and values of human lives Can Do whatever the hell they want with their penis, right?

and Our lives are full of those Individuals with weak characters who gratify in humiliation and torturing of human beings.
Partially those individuals who humiliate others have most likely been humiliated in their whole lives and never experienced much love to share their loves with other individuals.



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25 Sep 2011, 3:02 am

Well this seems to operate okay in places like the Bunny Ranch in Nevada. If you have a situation where the Prostitute is an Independent Contractor in charge of the whole arrangement I don't see a problem. Hopefully making good money and setting it aside so they can retire from it eventually. I suppose some might stay around as a "Madam" running the place.



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25 Sep 2011, 7:11 am

RICKY5 wrote:
daspie wrote:
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I am just wondering why people have this negative bias towards prostitution?

There was some aspie who paid a whore and it made him feel a lot better.




What is wrong with a prostitute?

It gives wrong message to society that women are object of sexual gratification.


You sound like you are parroting what you were taught in school like a good widdle boy!

I was not taught this in school. Anything which I could think on and which needed clarification always bothered me. I spent quite a lot of time thinking about these issues. A man who goes to a prostitutes would less likely to have respect for women and would see other women as prostitutes. This is the same mentality that a rapist has, he thinks that women are just piece of meat. Therefore a child growing up in a society where prostitution is legal is more likely to be a misogynist. This may also happen in other ways. Islam says that women are your tilth and calls women as mentally deficient. It calls those who who do not cover up as asking for it, therefore a very high percentage of rapes in the west are being committed by Muslims. This is the way they are brought up in Islam.



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25 Sep 2011, 7:11 am

staralfurious wrote:
RICKY5 wrote:
daspie wrote:
ApsieGuy wrote:
I am just wondering why people have this negative bias towards prostitution?

There was some aspie who paid a whore and it made him feel a lot better.




What is wrong with a prostitute?

It gives wrong message to society that women are object of sexual gratification.


You sound like you are parroting what you were taught in school like a good widdle boy!


Yes I believe people with ASD tend to live by those cheesy rules you learn in schools.
But Prostitution is harmful. Many women have committed suicides over prostitution.
Do you want to know the statistics of how many porn stars have died?
why don't you look it up on pinkcross.com?
If you truly know how prostitutes felt about being used/raped for money, you'd know what to do to avoid harming individuals in that way. Unless your main object in life is by raping as many woman discreetly and feel good about really robbing someone's life. Using a term like Whore also reveals someone's weak character. a respectful gentleman would never use a word like whore to describe a woman.

Are you a believer that some women should be "punished" and raped in our society?

Because I am a believer that No woman should be sexually exploited or raped or objectified.

Money should be "used" and must be used to earn "love", "trust" and "attraction" from other parties.

Having or inserting a penis into a complete stranger's body especially when the feeling of love, trust and attraction is not mutually shared, is a devastating crime. Truly One of the sickening things you can do to a human being.

Let me repeat the last sentence.

Truly one of the sickening things you can do to a fellow human being.

But someone with such a weak moral and values of human lives Can Do whatever the hell they want with their penis, right?

and Our lives are full of those Individuals with weak characters who gratify in humiliation and torturing of human beings.
Partially those individuals who humiliate others have most likely been humiliated in their whole lives and never experienced much love to share their loves with other individuals.

Thanks Staralfurious, you actually explained my point in detail. :)



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25 Sep 2011, 10:00 am

I don't have a problem with prostitution or porn but I think the age of consent should be 21 for those things. I'd never use a prostitute for various reasons but if it were legal it might be a safer profession.



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25 Sep 2011, 10:15 am

Haven't read the thread but I've had a lot of experience with prostitutes, including some of my favourite people ever. For a start, they let you have sex with them for money - how cool is that? Think of them as people living their own lives and making their own choices and you'll be fine. For me it's a great way to get laid and have some nice intimate peopley stuff without having to get emotionally involved with someone or pick up a stranger, both of which I find really unpleasant.

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Only if said woman is actually comfortable with her job choice.

I have considered seeing an escort a few times, but as much as I would do it, I don't want the stigma attached to it, so I have never pursued the idea.


Adultwork.com has loads of women working for themselves in Britain. They have reviews and pictures and everything you want to make an informed choice. No one would ever know. I can personally recommend some in London.



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25 Sep 2011, 10:16 am

Well if it were legal it would probably be safer because it would be more regulated.

I am neutral on what exactly I think of it, but I think legal would=safer.



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25 Sep 2011, 1:02 pm

It needs to be legal in the U.S. It's the only option for me and many other guys. Those who oppose legalizing prostitution don't understand what it's like to be an undesirable male.



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25 Sep 2011, 1:15 pm

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women protecting their interests (married women protecting their status as the sole benefactor of the male provider).


I really think it has to do with the disgusting notion that prostitution gives unattractive men the means to engage in the mating process thought to be reserved for those who "deserve it"(attractive guys). The idea that unattractive men are allowed to engage in it with the instinctual, illogical association that they could reproduce is inherently disgusting to women and the more advantaged segments of society thus causing an instinctual revulsion.

Essentially, it's because sex is associated with reproduction, and unattractive guys shouldn't be allowed to reproduce so having an "illegitimate" means of getting sex (i.e., not through natural attraction) is frowned upon.

[Though your claim "women don't want the extra competition" also is probably a big factor. But, that doesn't explain the instinctual disgust that many women have towards it, as someone may dislike their competition but aren't instinctually disgusted by idea of having competitors.]



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25 Sep 2011, 1:25 pm

Most sex workers are victims of human trafficking and have been forced into the trade against their will, often as children, usually by their own family or under the pretense of a reputable job.

They are initially kept confined and regularly beaten. They frequently have drugs forced on them and become dependent on their pimps and when these women are arrested for the trade they were forced into, they are prosecuted, even in the US. Some women are murdered when they are released from jail for testifying against their captors.

That's why I have a problem with it.

If the woman as an adult decided she wanted to go into prostitution of her own free will because it's something she has interest in, she has not been coerced, is not a victim of abuse that could have lead her to that field, and is of sound mind, then I don't particularly care if she becomes a prostitute, despite my personal moral reservations about it.



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25 Sep 2011, 1:51 pm

That's the same reason I hear from some atheists who have a problem with 'religion': that the extreme fringes are harmful. Makes me think: stop having problems with nebulous categories, people! Getting to know people as individuals makes most problems disappear.



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25 Sep 2011, 2:46 pm

My main problem is with the idea of sex as a commodity. I would very much like it if sex had nothing to do with money, but it course it often does.


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25 Sep 2011, 4:00 pm

Chronos wrote:
Most sex workers are victims of human trafficking and have been forced into the trade against their will, often as children, usually by their own family or under the pretense of a reputable job.

They are initially kept confined and regularly beaten. They frequently have drugs forced on them and become dependent on their pimps and when these women are arrested for the trade they were forced into, they are prosecuted, even in the US. Some women are murdered when they are released from jail for testifying against their captors.

That's why I have a problem with it.

If the woman as an adult decided she wanted to go into prostitution of her own free will because it's something she has interest in, she has not been coerced, is not a victim of abuse that could have lead her to that field, and is of sound mind, then I don't particularly care if she becomes a prostitute, despite my personal moral reservations about it.


I absolutely-agree.
The idea that there are no ethical objections to be had to prostitution,
especially that when women make them it's due to jealousy over some perceived "threat"...

people who assert such make the mistake of projecting their own views of sex and women's bodies as commodities onto women themselves.


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26 Sep 2011, 12:16 am

Chronos wrote:
If the woman as an adult decided she wanted to go into prostitution of her own free will because it's something she has interest in, she has not been coerced, is not a victim of abuse that could have lead her to that field, and is of sound mind, then I don't particularly care if she becomes a prostitute, despite my personal moral reservations about it.

First of all thanks for the great post.
Even then there might be a problem because children while growing up in societies where prostitution is legal get wrong message that it is o.k. so that they tend to develop positive attitude towards so it is also a coercion albeit indirect one.



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26 Sep 2011, 1:13 am

Negative sides.
1. How many do you think do it because they really like the job?
-How many do you think is forced into it either by third party, or economic trouble and see no other way?
-How many do you think are out there continuing to abuse themselves like this because of previous experiences?
-How many out there do you think get psychological problems as an effect? Depression, self hatred etc?
2. If a girl who sleeps around is called slut and treated as inferior, imagine how a prostitute will be treated if people knew. They are of less worth to society. And imagine what that does to them.
3. In one study, 75% of women in escort prostitution had attempted suicide. Prostituted women comprised 15% of all completed suicides reported by hospitals. (Answer to the above?)
4. Objectification of the female sex. The image given is that this is all women are worth.
5. Prostitution is dangerous for several reasons, they may be used and sold by parties unknown. You may be f*****g a slave in other words.
6. Prostitutes as it is today stand a high risk of being raped.
7. They stand a higher chance of receiving and spreading STD's.
8. How many men would want to love/marry a prostitute?
9. Prostitution doesn't look to good on a resume. =/
10. The average age of entry into prostitution is 13 years
11. A Canadian Report on Prostitution and Pornography concluded that girls and women in prostitution have a mortality rate 40 times higher than the national average
12. The death rate for prostitutes in the U.S. is 204 out of every 100,000. For fishermen, it's 129 out of every 100,000.


If prostitution were to be legal, I'd say it should only be legal in one way. And thats by using brothels.
With security protecting them, preventing abuse or rape.
Regular checkups, avoid spreading disease and AIDS.
Perhaps even psychological evaluation, is this person going to handle the emotional problems that may arise, or is this person out to continue abusing themselves because they have been abused while young, etc.