08 Mar 2012, 3:46 pm
The-Raven wrote:
CrazyCatLord wrote:
The-Raven wrote:
CrazyCatLord wrote:
ZX_SpectrumDisorder wrote:
Sometimes logic cannot be applied to society's norms and values. It is as it is and there's not much you can do about it.
I think in this case, it is nature's norms and values
you better get out there and hunt some zebra then!
Thankfully, the urge to hunt is not quite as strong as the human sex drive. People can easily satisfy the former by playing World of Warcraft
but if men only want women if they are young and hot, women will only want men who are good hunters.
Men do not only want women who are young and hot. But men have a clear preference for women within the reproductive age range. Of course there are exceptions, such as gerontophiles. Or gays, for that matter. I'm only talking about the middle portion of the bell curve, as usual.
08 Mar 2012, 3:47 pm
CrazyCatLord wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
CrazyCatLord wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
people can be sexually attractive when they are old lol. not everyone values youth over other aspects.
No matter if we like it or not, sexual attraction is tightly linked to the biological imperative of procreation. Therefore, the ability to procreate and the likelihood of having healthy offspring determines what is considered attractive.
Men usually remain procreative for their entire adult life, but the likelihood of fathering healthy children becomes considerably lower at an advanced age. There is a reason that overtly sexually active old geezers are traditionally considered dirty / creepy old men. As for women... well, there is menopause, and that was that.
Of course senior citizens still have sex to express their love for one another (probably aided by mental images of better days, as well as little blue pills), and some even manage to find a new partner within their own age range. But one has to accept the fact that the time when people turn their heads in the street and suitors fall over each other can't last forever.
no.... some people honestly do find older people attractive. you can talk biology but not everyone is controlled by instinct to that degree.
Are you controlled by instinct? Can you change your sexual orientation for example? If you happen to be bisexual, the question is moot of course
But if you have a clear gender preference, you are as much instinct-driven as everybody else. Women naturally have a larger age range since men don't go through menopause. That's why Sean Connery is still considered attractive (that and the fact that he has aged really well).
loads of men say they have crushes on helen miren and angelica huston.
08 Mar 2012, 3:48 pm
CrazyCatLord wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
CrazyCatLord wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
people can be sexually attractive when they are old lol. not everyone values youth over other aspects.
No matter if we like it or not, sexual attraction is tightly linked to the biological imperative of procreation. Therefore, the ability to procreate and the likelihood of having healthy offspring determines what is considered attractive.
Men usually remain procreative for their entire adult life, but the likelihood of fathering healthy children becomes considerably lower at an advanced age. There is a reason that overtly sexually active old geezers are traditionally considered dirty / creepy old men. As for women... well, there is menopause, and that was that.
Of course senior citizens still have sex to express their love for one another (probably aided by mental images of better days, as well as little blue pills), and some even manage to find a new partner within their own age range. But one has to accept the fact that the time when people turn their heads in the street and suitors fall over each other can't last forever.
no.... some people honestly do find older people attractive. you can talk biology but not everyone is controlled by instinct to that degree.
Are you controlled by instinct? Can you change your sexual orientation for example? If you happen to be bisexual, the question is moot of course
But if you have a clear gender preference, you are as much instinct-driven as everybody else. Women naturally have a larger age range since men don't go through menopause. That's why Sean Connery is still considered attractive (that and the fact that he has aged really well).
people's preferences in terms of who the yfind attractive is quite fluid. for example, i sincerely doubt that you still prefer the exact same women that you liked at age 18. it changes through a person's life.
i don't know about sexual orientation. we are referring to preferences for attraction.
08 Mar 2012, 3:49 pm
08 Mar 2012, 3:51 pm
CrazyCatLord wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
CrazyCatLord wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
people can be sexually attractive when they are old lol. not everyone values youth over other aspects.
No matter if we like it or not, sexual attraction is tightly linked to the biological imperative of procreation. Therefore, the ability to procreate and the likelihood of having healthy offspring determines what is considered attractive.
Men usually remain procreative for their entire adult life, but the likelihood of fathering healthy children becomes considerably lower at an advanced age. There is a reason that overtly sexually active old geezers are traditionally considered dirty / creepy old men. As for women... well, there is menopause, and that was that.
Of course senior citizens still have sex to express their love for one another (probably aided by mental images of better days, as well as little blue pills), and some even manage to find a new partner within their own age range. But one has to accept the fact that the time when people turn their heads in the street and suitors fall over each other can't last forever.
no.... some people honestly do find older people attractive. you can talk biology but not everyone is controlled by instinct to that degree.
Are you controlled by instinct? Can you change your sexual orientation for example? If you happen to be bisexual, the question is moot of course
But if you have a clear gender preference, you are as much instinct-driven as everybody else. Women naturally have a larger age range since men don't go through menopause. That's why Sean Connery is still considered attractive (that and the fact that he has aged really well).
and the menopause is there to stop women dying in childbirth as they age as their body weakens so that they can live to bring up their grand children, which suggests they are getting shagged or they would not need to be infertile. biologically older men dont need to be alive lol. Research shows old men have crap sperm which leads to deformities and miscarriage.
08 Mar 2012, 4:09 pm
hyperlexian wrote:
CrazyCatLord wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
no.... some people honestly do find older people attractive. you can talk biology but not everyone is controlled by instinct to that degree.
Are you controlled by instinct? Can you change your sexual orientation for example? If you happen to be bisexual, the question is moot of course
But if you have a clear gender preference, you are as much instinct-driven as everybody else. Women naturally have a larger age range since men don't go through menopause. That's why Sean Connery is still considered attractive (that and the fact that he has aged really well).
people's preferences in terms of who the yfind attractive is quite fluid. for example, i sincerely doubt that you still prefer the exact same women that you liked at age 18. it changes through a person's life.
When I was 13, I physically responded to nearly all girls and women within the reproductive age group and with a certain waist-to-hip ratio. My physical response has not changed one bit since then, only my mental preference has. I simply couldn't see myself with a giggling teenager at my age. And of course I know that my chances are quite limited nowadays (I gave up all hope when I lost my hair. I'm no Sean Connery
). That's the only real difference for me. Back in the day, it was quite common for older men to take ridiculously young brides after their previous wife had died giving birth to their 7th child. Those were horrible times of course, but it shows that as far as physical traits go, male preference doesn't change all that much over the years. All those "Barely 18" porn sites are not only frequented by 18 year old men.
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i don't know about sexual orientation. we are referring to preferences for attraction.
I find it important in this context because you implied in two posts that you are not a slave to biology or driven by instinct. But if you can't change your sexual orientation at will, it would indicate that this is not entirely the case.
08 Mar 2012, 4:12 pm
i think that attraction is more complex than the 'biological imperative' would imply. we are not automatons who are born with certain preferences that linger for a whole lifetime. with individual complexity comes variation. there are definitely trends and averages, but that does not equal universality. if it did i would never get shagged 
08 Mar 2012, 4:31 pm
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08 Mar 2012, 4:38 pm
hyperlexian wrote:
what i was actually getting at... is that phrases like 'aging WELL' are misnomers. a more accurate phrase would be aging BADLY' because youthful-looking well-preserved old people are not aging naturally. they are defying nature and therefore not aging well at all.
If you put it like that, I have to agree
I bet those who are said to have aged well feel really well though. If you view aging as a terminal disease, people who age well have a better prognosis.
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08 Mar 2012, 4:51 pm
CrazyCatLord wrote:
Men do not only want women who are young and hot.
Bull, I prefer older women thanks! Now am going to part disclose something about me to proof it (note you might not believe it but its no lie). I have I older female friend (about in her mid 40s) am attracted to she very beautiful, I was very close to dating her but then again every single hot blooded man was after going out with her after she split up with her ex.
I'll show you pics of two of her famous younger relates (To be honesty am not attracted to the pair of them), I meet the pair of them before they became famous.
Both of theres women are cousin to each other, am not going to share the family relationship of my friend to the two of them I'll keep that private, tho I can see a bit of my friend's looks in the two of them.
08 Mar 2012, 5:00 pm
