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12 Nov 2012, 1:11 pm

Kurgan wrote:
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women can have many flaws, but men not so much

says who?


Says popular culture. In every movie about some dorky and unpopular (but hot) girl who the cheerleaders pick on, she's secretely in love with the guy who's attractive, most popular of them all, parties every weekend, has the nicest car, and the richest parents. Of course, she's one hundred percent passive until he finally makes the move on her in the last 15 minutes of the movie.


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12 Nov 2012, 1:24 pm

Kurgan wrote:
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women can have many flaws, but men not so much

says who?


Says popular culture. In every movie about some dorky and unpopular (but hot) girl who the cheerleaders pick on, she's secretely in love with the guy who's attractive, most popular of them all, parties every weekend, has the nicest car, and the richest parents. Of course, she's one hundred percent passive until he finally makes the move on her in the last 15 minutes of the movie.

a movie meant to make girls have hope some prince charming will roll up to them isnt exactly making your point



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12 Nov 2012, 2:29 pm

MXH wrote:
Kurgan wrote:
MXH wrote:
WantToHaveALife wrote:
women can have many flaws, but men not so much

says who?


Says popular culture. In every movie about some dorky and unpopular (but hot) girl who the cheerleaders pick on, she's secretely in love with the guy who's attractive, most popular of them all, parties every weekend, has the nicest car, and the richest parents. Of course, she's one hundred percent passive until he finally makes the move on her in the last 15 minutes of the movie.

a movie meant to make girls have hope some prince charming will roll up to them isnt exactly making your point


I am not positive, but I think the belief that women are allowed to have flaws and we have to look past them if we want to be with them. However, men are not allowed to have flaws and women will instinctively disregard someone who appears to be "fatally" flawed. I am wondering if this is where anyone really planned on going with this. The good old double standard that may exist only if people allow it too.



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12 Nov 2012, 2:33 pm

aspiemike wrote:
MXH wrote:
Kurgan wrote:
MXH wrote:
WantToHaveALife wrote:
women can have many flaws, but men not so much

says who?


Says popular culture. In every movie about some dorky and unpopular (but hot) girl who the cheerleaders pick on, she's secretely in love with the guy who's attractive, most popular of them all, parties every weekend, has the nicest car, and the richest parents. Of course, she's one hundred percent passive until he finally makes the move on her in the last 15 minutes of the movie.

a movie meant to make girls have hope some prince charming will roll up to them isnt exactly making your point


I am not positive, but I think the belief that women are allowed to have flaws and we have to look past them if we want to be with them. However, men are not allowed to have flaws and women will instinctively disregard someone who appears to be "fatally" flawed. I am wondering if this is where anyone really planned on going with this. The good old double standard that may exist only if people allow it too.


no, looking past flaws and such thoughts arent a men vs women construct. But rather something closer to the leagues construct. A woman in a middle league cant pretend to look after someone flawless as she has plenty, the same for men in middle leagues. And then comes the rating of the flaw. Some flaws are not as bad as others. a funny sneeze doesnt rate as bad as stalker



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12 Nov 2012, 3:15 pm

True, but I'd guess at that the Male scale of flaw value and importance is lower, much much lower than the Female scale, and I'd also bet that some Female scales come with an instant handicap to any flaws solely because of gender.

There is no equal and fair set of rules/scales/whatever when it comes to dating, Women will always have an advantage and will abuse that advantage, because the NT society does not see it as a problem.



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12 Nov 2012, 7:17 pm

MXH wrote:

no, looking past flaws and such thoughts arent a men vs women construct. But rather something closer to the leagues construct. A woman in a middle league cant pretend to look after someone flawless as she has plenty, the same for men in middle leagues. And then comes the rating of the flaw. Some flaws are not as bad as others. a funny sneeze doesnt rate as bad as stalker


Rating of the flaw... does each flaw have the same rating between opposites? or do you think that a women will look at a flaw that she has herself, and say that it is unnaccaptable for a man to have a similar flaw or vice versa?
I'll reference an episode of Friends where Chandler dates a woman who has an amputated leg and he learns to look past it, only for her to not look past the fact that he has what he refers to as a third nipple. Nothing to do with real life, but think it's a funny example of how others may perceive a "physical flaw"



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12 Nov 2012, 7:19 pm

aspiemike wrote:
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no, looking past flaws and such thoughts arent a men vs women construct. But rather something closer to the leagues construct. A woman in a middle league cant pretend to look after someone flawless as she has plenty, the same for men in middle leagues. And then comes the rating of the flaw. Some flaws are not as bad as others. a funny sneeze doesnt rate as bad as stalker


Rating of the flaw... does each flaw have the same rating between opposites? or do you think that a women will look at a flaw that she has herself, and say that it is unnaccaptable for a man to have a similar flaw or vice versa?
I'll reference an episode of Friends where Chandler dates a woman who has an amputated leg and he learns to look past it, only for her to not look past the fact that he has what he refers to as a third nipple. Nothing to do with real life, but think it's a funny example of how others may perceive a "physical flaw"


the difference isnt so great. But that example just shows me how two faced people can be and not much on how a flaws value is made



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12 Nov 2012, 7:31 pm

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True, but I'd guess at that the Male scale of flaw value and importance is lower, much much lower than the Female scale, and I'd also bet that some Female scales come with an instant handicap to any flaws solely because of gender.

There is no equal and fair set of rules/scales/whatever when it comes to dating, Women will always have an advantage and will abuse that advantage, because the NT society does not see it as a problem.


NT vs Aspies aside.
The fact that women have it much harder than men because of the menstrual cycle is something men have to respect. They have to give birth to our children which is something we don't have to do. We have it much easier than they do in these regards and we don't have to worry one bit about things such as being on time, or late, or the pain they might go through from giving birth. It is my understanding that they go through emotional and physical hell when they hit menopause as well. So if those play a factor in their "handicaps", we have no choice but to accept it.
Also keep in mind that women have to work harder to look good compared to us men, and they do what they can to be nice to the men they want to be with. They want someone to treat them right in return for the most part. Granted, there are some crazy people out there, and that is something a lot of men and women try to avoid.
These are some simple things I completely forgot about during my years of not dating. It may have played a role in my "Why don't women like me" questions.



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18 Nov 2012, 9:08 pm

i wish i could lose it fast