Why is chivalry good for anyone?

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Seriously, dude..........You're intelligent and I'm sure your arguments are solid based on your logic. I just disagree with them. I've read through several pages of this thread and your points (the ones that aren't standard Libertarian ideas) aren't overall as clear as you would think. I'm sure they make sense from your vantage point but it's kinda like asking a cat to understand the viewpoint of a dog. We're different beasts. Like I said "morality is relative" so you can believe what you want.

Frankly I actually like you despite disagreeing on some fundamental things (you're far better than a few others I wont name.) I hope you stick around. I will try to keep a more open mind but you need to understand that I'm a blunt and opinionated person too. Right now my opinion is that continuing down this line of discussion won't get us anywhere.


Personally, I think you and Boo should just kick that athiest s**t to the curb and join the Agnostitrain. It's quite cushy and pragmatic.

I'm actually pretty liberal if you believe my mother's and husband's opinion. I'm conservative on a few things too. I don't think anybody should just buy into one side completely, across the board, writing off everything that the other side says as wrong, because both sides have good things to say on different topics.

I think that if something doesn't actually harm someone else then it should be allowed. By actually harm I mean something that you can actually see and document. The conservatives that scream that gay marriage will hurt society and traditional marriage don't know what they are talking about because it wont effect traditional marriage or society. The result of gay marriage being legalized is that gay people will be able to get married - that's all that it will do. While abortion does kill the fetus (which is, yes, an unborn baby) there is no other way yet to remove it from the mother's body without doing so and because it's her body that it is inside, and she was there first, she gets to make that decision no matter who does or doesn't like it. The conservatives who are against it and want it to be criminalized should work on developing some sort of mechanical incubator that they can remove the fetus from the mother and put it in there to grow and then the adoptive family can pay for the medical costs and then adopt the baby when it's old enough to be born. Those are the two major issues I agree with liberals on (I'm sure there are more, those are just off the top of my head and in the news the most.

For the conservative side, I don't think that we should legislate what people say (except for stuff about not yelling fire in a movie theater because it can cause a riot and physical injury, etc) so I'm against the whole "hate speech" thing. I think that people should actually be encouraged to say what they feel because it would make it a whole lot easier to know who is an as*hole that I don't want to be around. I also think that except for really big corporations, business owners should be allowed to hire and fire whoever they want based on whatever crazy criteria they want. I feel that because 1. they own the business and 2. if they refuse to hire certain groups then word will get out and people will know before long that they are as*holes and not to buy from them.

But, not to derail the thread here - I just posted those things to give examples of things I agree with on two very different sides. If you want to discuss them further, start a thread in PPR and invite me please. I'll be happy to discuss.

Back to chivalry - I'm for it. If a lady wants to say "Don't you dare hold that door open for me! You are oppressing me by doing so and I want your name so I can get some crazy, way out there organization to sue you for violating my rights as a womyn!" then she should certainly do so but I also hope that the rest of the guys out there understand that she is not speaking for her whole sex. Nor am I speaking for our whole sex, just those of us who were raised with manners and who really understand the meaning behind them and don't see some nefarious conspiracy for them.

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I'm giving it another shot. We will see.
My forum is still there and everyone is welcome to come join as well. There is a private women only subforum there if anyone is interested. Also, there is no CAPTCHA.

The link to the forum is http://www.rightplanet.proboards.com

I don't know about some of these recent posts, but back to chivalry:

I'm kind of envious of being able to live in an age of chivalry. Think about it: instead of having to decode a bunch of complex signals indicating what you are supposed to do, there is a code instead that you can follow! That seems much simpler to follow.

Librarian, why the heck did you bring it up anyways? I want to get back to chivalry as well. For the most part, I thought to treat ladies how they would want to be treated, although we are already supposed to do that anyways, I guess just do that instead.