Is it unfair of me to ask my gf for a prenup in this case?

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21 May 2016, 3:55 am

How is it different in this case compared to others?



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21 May 2016, 4:08 am

It's not different. Everyone should be careful about what people tell them on the Internet

I'm not getting at you specifically. I'm just concerned that you might put weight behind the advice of someone who doesn't know what they're talking about.

But I've just realised that I'm insulting your intelligence by saying that and that wasn't my intention. You are free to evaluate all comments as you see fit. That is none of my business.

By all means carry on. There's nothing wrong with asking questions. Don't mind me. I just wanted to say be cautious, that's all. I didn't think it would turn into questions about why.



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21 May 2016, 4:17 am

Oh no I didn't feel my intelligence was insulted, I am just inquiring. Thanks.

Well I feel that maybe I should not get married and tell her that we need to take a step back, and work on certain issues before doing so. I did this before with her, back when we were going to get married sooner, but she was bothered by the way I was handling things with my money, such as not traveling on vacation with her and some things like that. She argued with me on it, so I postponed getting married back then.

But now I would be doing it again, considerably. However, me thinking of doing that is based off of what people said about her being manipulative here. So should I call off the wedding plans and tell her that, if the majority of people have said the same thing?



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21 May 2016, 4:21 am

ironpony wrote:
How is it different in this case compared to others?


Because we have real drama. Usually it's complains from NTs that have compatibility problems, or NDs that cannot find a partner. At least here there doesn't appear to be direct incompatibility problems. Still, it's up to you if you want this kind of drama when she thinks you have gone behind your back or not. Because it will repeat itself. I'm in an LTR with a woman that often reacts first and thinks afterwards, but at least she doesn't make ultimatums. That works because I'm a super-calm guy so we complement each others.

Since I haven't observed you two IRL, I really don't know if your situation is sustainable or not.

As for the prenup, I wouldn't consider that. Like a few others here, I think it instils a notion that the marriage will not last.



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21 May 2016, 4:27 am

ironpony wrote:
Well I feel that maybe I should not get married and tell her that we need to take a step back, and work on certain issues before doing so. I did this before with her, back when we were going to get married sooner, but she was bothered by the way I was handling things with my money, such as not traveling on vacation with her and some things like that. She argued with me on it, so I postponed getting married back then.


That sounds like a good idea. That way the two of you can think this over a little more before proceeding.

Also, don't discuss things with her while she is upset or wound-up about something because it will lead nowhere. Do it afterwards instead.



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21 May 2016, 9:46 am

ironpony wrote:
Okay thanks. It's funny you mention that I did apologize for that. However, because of her comments today, I got really turned off like when she made that remark about growing a pair, in such a condescending and demeaning way.

Well me and her had a long talk. I really would like to get the legal advice first, but the longer I wait for the appointment there difficult it is for her, since she wants an answer now and the more I wait to know what my financial options are, the longer I wait to give it to her, the more upset she gets.

She said that she only made those comments about me growing a pair, in a demeaning way is because she was mad that I made an appointment to see a lawyer without telling first, since I was waiting to see what the options were before bringing it up to her again.

She apologized and said she didn't mean it and just wish that I had it in her to tell her before.

Were those comments still manipulative, or was she just angry because I went behind her back?


As far as the prenup goes, I wouldn't just leave her with nothing out on the street, I didn't mean it that way. We would come up with the agreement, both of us, and came up with something that we were both satisfied with.


Sounds like she was just angry because you went behind her back, just try to tell her what is going on beforehand next time. Also she may be under a bit of extra stress due to the plans of getting married in general...so might be part of why she had such an extreme initial reaction, or perhaps she has some emotional immaturity and that is one of her flaws you might have to live with as no one is perfect.

I don't suggest ditching her for her birthday if you plan on moving past this obstacle and going through with the marrige....If you've changed your mind though then you could certainly push her away by doing things like that.


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21 May 2016, 10:01 am

ironpony wrote:
Well as far as sex goes she is good on that now and said she did not mean what she said and now wants to have it. But now I don't and am turned off or at least pondering what to do next.

So basically her telling me those remarks, has nothing to do what I did before and she was being manipulating then, even if she apologized later and said it was in the heat of the moment anger?


Not necessarily...she could be being honest and realized she may have over-reacted in the heat of anger. Seems some posters here are a bit to quick to jump on the 'ditch her and run' bandwagon...Do you really feel people here are in a position to make character judgements about your girlfriend over this one incident. I mean yeah it sounds she was a bit immature in how she handled being upset about feeling you went behind her back, though I've never seen someone react calmly so its not particularly unusual she got worked up.


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21 May 2016, 10:20 am

I don't think anything good will come out of him ignoring her birthday. That will just turn into more fights and hostile thoughts. Not a smart thing to do, unless he wants out of it.

I'd rather give her a nice present and a memorable day, and then maybe they would get out of this vicious circle of retaliation. Revenge is not for relationships, it's for enemies, and it kills love. There is a huge difference between playing games and revenge and retaliation. If you are into game-playing, make sure it's harmless things, and never get into ultimatums and revenge-retaliation.



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21 May 2016, 12:16 pm

married for seven years here to a funny, warm, agreeable guy. wouldn't pull away from your girlfriend if i were you.



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21 May 2016, 12:27 pm

I don't mean to not go to her birthday out of REVENGE, I just feel like I would be loosing my self respect if I go, based on people saying she is manipulating me.

Plus people say not to bring things up with her while she is upset, but she is always the one bringing up things to me, so I talk about these things with her, when she brings them up usually.



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21 May 2016, 12:43 pm

how would honoring the birthday of someone you've been close to for three years cause you to lose self-respect? if you have a schedule conflict, you don't have to go, but you should get her a gift and take her to dinner another time. i think this whole thing started over a non-issue because $200k isn't more money than you two need to live on. you're so afraid of being taken advantage of and having your pride wounded that you're considering throwing away a relationship that's worked for three years. i'm not so sure she is being manipulative. please see previous posts.

the differing views on whether to take a vacation or not may be a real problem, though. do you often have disagreements over how to spend money?



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21 May 2016, 12:47 pm

Well it's just people are saying she is manipulating me, and that test she gave yesterday, that people pointed out was a test, really took a serious blow to me.

Sometimes we disagreements on how to spend money. For random example, we went to the movies, and each payed our own. After the movie, we didn't like it, and she said that it was a waist of her money and can't believe she payed for it.

After the movie, my best friend sent us both a text, asking us to see a movie. I told him that I just came from a movie and I was tired and didn't feel like seeing anther one. She called him back saying she will go but she has no money. So my friend offered to pay for her, and she went with him instead, and I went home.

This didn't bother me much, but other people told me that she was being unfair to me. But was she?

That is just a random example, I will try to think of others.

As for putting too much emphasis on a prenup, after being taken advantage of the last time, before my gf, I made a vow to myself not to put myself in large positions to be taken advantage of again.

If I break my vow I made to myself, I feel like I would be losing my self respect, since our promises to ourselves are what make us who we are.

My gf says I am making too big a deal out of and we can break promises to ourselves and still have our self-respect. But what do you think?



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21 May 2016, 2:18 pm

(This is starting to feel like a psychology experiment being conducted on us.)

ironpony wrote:
If I break my vow I made to myself, I feel like I would be losing my self respect, since our promises to ourselves are what make us who we are. My gf says I am making too big a deal out of and we can break promises to ourselves and still have our self-respect.


"Go ahead, just take five dollars from the cash register."
"I'm not going to steal money from the cash register!"
"What's the big deal. Everybody steals from the cash register."

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But what do you think?


I think she is abusive and deceitful, unfit to be either wife or mother, and you should cut all ties and move on, and congratulate yourself for dodging a bullet.


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21 May 2016, 2:25 pm

hurtloam wrote:

I'm not offering any advice on the prenup. I'm just saying be careful. Don't ruin your relationship because of bitter strangers on the Internet.

The most vocal, bitter one is single.


Indeed I've been fearing that. We don't know if this is just s one off fight(people say horse things in fights). I'd hate if he left here over people misunderstanding her.
Then again as a forever alone guy I'm biased and wouldn't encourage anyone to leave their gf unless there's was serious abuse.



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21 May 2016, 2:26 pm

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Sounds like she was just angry because you went behind her back, just try to tell her what is going on beforehand next time. Also she may be under a bit of extra stress due to the plans of getting married in general...so might be part of why she had such an extreme initial reaction, or perhaps she has some emotional immaturity and that is one of her flaws you might have to live with as no one is perfect.

I don't suggest ditching her for her birthday if you plan on moving past this obstacle and going through with the marrige....If you've changed your mind though then you could certainly push her away by doing things like that.


Seems like to me not going to her birthday is a way of getting back at her. Birthdays are a special day I'd still try to make hers special even if mad, only happens once s year.
But yeah I guess if he's done then not going could make sense but wouldn't that be like breaking up on Valentine's Day, isn't it usually better to wait for s none special day to break up?



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21 May 2016, 2:30 pm

I am going to her birthday now. I am just mad about what she said and needed to cool off. But what she said was a really concerning to me. The whole test thing.

Did I screw up by not telling her about the lawyer and I deserved to be talked to that way? She says that most of the her harsh reactions are based on things that are my fault. Is it my fault, or not? Cause if it is, then maybe telling her I don't want to marry her is not fair to her.