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03 Oct 2017, 6:05 pm

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The 1 in 4 college survey you're probably referring to was about sexual harrassement of any kind, this may vary from a forced kiss to rape.

If humanity has 1 in 4 or 1 in 6 rape rate then we should self nuke.


If that's the case then I have been sexually harrased too, several times.

I agree.



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03 Oct 2017, 6:11 pm

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If anything, that only makes them less credible, it honestly sounds like advocacy resarch. Especially when their number is 1000% bigger than BJS. BJS is the gold standard.

It's not possible to have statistics if it is not reported. That literally makes no sense.


Out of all women surveyed by RAINN, 1 out of 6 claim to have been raped. If you don't believe the 1-in-6 statistic, then you either believe that the subjects are lying about being raped, or you believe that advocacy groups are fudging the statistics to make rape seem like a bigger problem in our society than it actually is. These are misogynistic narratives.

Just because a crime isn't reported to law enforcement doesn't mean it didn't happen.

"Rape" doesn't exist.



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04 Oct 2017, 1:46 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
The 1 in 4 college survey you're probably referring to was about sexual harrassement of any kind, this may vary from a forced kiss to rape.


It also asked different questions to male and female participants in order to skew the results, reformulated the the staistics gathered so that even the person who developed the model used said any stats presented as such would be useless, excluded men who outright said they'd been raped, and included in the "raped" category women who said they hadn't.


1 in 5 is indeed how prevalent rape is...in the Kongo, where it's used as a weapon of war.



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or you believe that advocacy groups are fudging the statistics to make rape seem like a bigger problem in our society than it actually is. These are misogynistic narratives.


"If you believe organisations that recieve millions of dollars in goverment funding annually have a vested interest in making it seem like they need to keep recieving that level of funding...well, you just hate women, you bigot!"


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Just because a crime isn't reported to law enforcement doesn't mean it didn't happen.


Great, so you're about to accept that 43% of domestic violence victims are men, with resources devoted to that issue being so fractional it might as well be non-existant?


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04 Oct 2017, 1:54 am

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According to her story, she pressed Like the she removed the Like - but someone screenshoted her Like and posted it; which caused uproar (from saudis, especially saudi women) and diplomatic jeopardy with the kingdom - because she's of a senior official position.

She is not a regular citizen like the comedian, and in no position to insult a non-enemy country no matter how we disagree with their ways.

I agree, as a public persona she should be way more cautious in such a situation.
I see nothing misogynic about punishing her for this. She got in trouble because of being a politician, not because of being a woman.


It would have been more tolerant if she was a politician, but a senior servicewoman shouldn't publicize her political opinions.



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04 Oct 2017, 3:42 am

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The 1 in 4 college survey you're probably referring to was about sexual harrassement of any kind, this may vary from a forced kiss to rape.

If humanity has 1 in 4 or 1 in 6 rape rate then we should self nuke.


If that's the case then I have been sexually harrased too, several times.

I agree.


It may have included verbal catcalls too, which is indeed very common and very easy to do (ie. a same bad guy can catcall about 100 women in a day) - the survey was about Sexual violence, and not rape or rape-attempts in particular.

1/4 means about 25%....it would be so unbelievable in a civilized world, it means among my female friends there are surely about quarter of them who been rape victims , among my extended family I would have at least a dozen of female relatives who been victims too, no matter how 'hush-hush' the society is it cannot remain hidden at this scale without a very massive global reaction from women (ie. massive protests in millions...etc) - like how it happened in India.

And imagine how many rapists would require to make it that highly occurred, 25%, 20%, 15% of men are rapists? Still too unbelievably high.



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04 Oct 2017, 4:04 am

MushroomPrincess wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
If anything, that only makes them less credible, it honestly sounds like advocacy resarch. Especially when their number is 1000% bigger than BJS. BJS is the gold standard.

It's not possible to have statistics if it is not reported. That literally makes no sense.


Out of all women surveyed by RAINN, 1 out of 6 claim to have been raped. If you don't believe the 1-in-6 statistic, then you either believe that the subjects are lying about being raped, or you believe that advocacy groups are fudging the statistics to make rape seem like a bigger problem in our society than it actually is. These are misogynistic narratives.

Just because a crime isn't reported to law enforcement doesn't mean it didn't happen.


I'm sitting here trying to count up how many women whom I know personally, who were raped, and did not report it to the police. My experience approximately matches the estimates that only about 1/7th get reported.


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04 Oct 2017, 4:19 am

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MushroomPrincess wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
If anything, that only makes them less credible, it honestly sounds like advocacy resarch. Especially when their number is 1000% bigger than BJS. BJS is the gold standard.

It's not possible to have statistics if it is not reported. That literally makes no sense.


Out of all women surveyed by RAINN, 1 out of 6 claim to have been raped. If you don't believe the 1-in-6 statistic, then you either believe that the subjects are lying about being raped, or you believe that advocacy groups are fudging the statistics to make rape seem like a bigger problem in our society than it actually is. These are misogynistic narratives.

Just because a crime isn't reported to law enforcement doesn't mean it didn't happen.


I'm sitting here trying to count up how many women whom I know personally, who were raped, and did not report it to the police. My experience approximately matches the estimates that only about 1/7th get reported.

I know only two, so no good for statistisc. One did not report, the other was dismissed because of her substance abuse.
But I didn't report an intended robbery assault on me... just didn't think that way, only about a month later I realised I should have. And, AFAIK, my friend (male) who was notoriously robbed never reported, too.


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04 Oct 2017, 4:37 am

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MushroomPrincess wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
If anything, that only makes them less credible, it honestly sounds like advocacy resarch. Especially when their number is 1000% bigger than BJS. BJS is the gold standard.

It's not possible to have statistics if it is not reported. That literally makes no sense.


Out of all women surveyed by RAINN, 1 out of 6 claim to have been raped. If you don't believe the 1-in-6 statistic, then you either believe that the subjects are lying about being raped, or you believe that advocacy groups are fudging the statistics to make rape seem like a bigger problem in our society than it actually is. These are misogynistic narratives.

Just because a crime isn't reported to law enforcement doesn't mean it didn't happen.


I'm sitting here trying to count up how many women whom I know personally, who were raped, and did not report it to the police. My experience approximately matches the estimates that only about 1/7th get reported.


I've only had one female tell me she was raped, and she admitted later it was a lie, so that must mean 100% of women lie about rape. :roll:

We cannot just make up statistics from our personal lives.



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04 Oct 2017, 4:40 am

Unfortunately, Boo, lots of people know about these stats. It doesn't mean that one in six men are rapists. It's more like one in ten, based on their responses to a survey.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/wh ... l-rapists/

[quote[\]In a paper published Monday in JAMA Pediatrics, a group of sexual assault researchers led by Kevin Swartout, an assistant professor of psychology at Georgia State University, used longitudinal data to track more than 1,000 male students at two southeastern universities over four years. Using the FBI’s definition of rape, the researchers found a higher proportion of men — 10.8 percent of the total sample, nearly twice as high as the Lisak/Miller study — who would be considered rapists. This suggests that the problem is far more widespread than the older study indicated.
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They found that of the 105 men who admitted to rape in that sample, 37 percent fell into the “decreasing” trajectory (39 men), which meant that they admitted to rape in high school but didn’t report continuing to rape throughout college (the vast majority — 87 percent — of this group committed rape during one or fewer college years). Eighteen percent of the self-reported rapists (19 men) fell into the “increasing” trajectory, which meant that all but two did not begin committing rape until they arrived at college (nearly all of this group committed rape in multiple college years, primarily as sophomores, juniors and seniors). Most (75 percent) of the men who admitted to rape during college did so during one year.[/quote]

Women don't really have an irrational fear of strange men.


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04 Oct 2017, 4:42 am

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I'm sitting here trying to count up how many women whom I know personally, who were raped, and did not report it to the police. My experience approximately matches the estimates that only about 1/7th get reported.


I've only had one female tell me she was raped, and she admitted later it was a lie, so that must mean 100% of women lie about rape. :roll:

We cannot just make up statistics from our personal lives.


You may want to read twice before posting. My experience matches the best available statistics.


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04 Oct 2017, 4:52 am

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I'm sitting here trying to count up how many women whom I know personally, who were raped, and did not report it to the police. My experience approximately matches the estimates that only about 1/7th get reported.


I've only had one female tell me she was raped, and she admitted later it was a lie, so that must mean 100% of women lie about rape. :roll:

We cannot just make up statistics from our personal lives.


You may want to read twice before posting. My experience matches the best available statistics.


The stats you posted are total bull mate.



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04 Oct 2017, 4:57 am

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Women don't really have an irrational fear of strange men.

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Not that strange, usually.


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04 Oct 2017, 5:03 am

Closet Genious wrote:
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I'm sitting here trying to count up how many women whom I know personally, who were raped, and did not report it to the police. My experience approximately matches the estimates that only about 1/7th get reported.


I've only had one female tell me she was raped, and she admitted later it was a lie, so that must mean 100% of women lie about rape. :roll:

We cannot just make up statistics from our personal lives.


You may want to read twice before posting. My experience matches the best available statistics.


The stats you posted are total bull mate.


Your reply to widely supported research is a YouTube video? Try a little.


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04 Oct 2017, 5:10 am

jrjones9933 wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
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I'm sitting here trying to count up how many women whom I know personally, who were raped, and did not report it to the police. My experience approximately matches the estimates that only about 1/7th get reported.


I've only had one female tell me she was raped, and she admitted later it was a lie, so that must mean 100% of women lie about rape. :roll:

We cannot just make up statistics from our personal lives.


You may want to read twice before posting. My experience matches the best available statistics.


The stats you posted are total bull mate.


Your reply to widely supported research is a YouTube video? Try a little.


Youtube is just a platform for sharing information. Did you even watch it?

Widely supported by idiots maybe, they are total bull. An unverified anonymous online survey of 5000 women, and you call that the best available statistics? I struggle to take that seriously.
I already posted actual statistics from the BJS, which shows it's about 1 in 50.



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Your reply to widely supported research is a YouTube video? Try a little.

Try a little more.
Check what the video cites:
https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=tp&tid=317


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Unfortunately, Boo, lots of people know about these stats. It doesn't mean that one in six men are rapists. It's more like one in ten, based on their responses to a survey.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/wh ... l-rapists/

[quote[\]In a paper published Monday in JAMA Pediatrics, a group of sexual assault researchers led by Kevin Swartout, an assistant professor of psychology at Georgia State University, used longitudinal data to track more than 1,000 male students at two southeastern universities over four years. Using the FBI’s definition of rape, the researchers found a higher proportion of men — 10.8 percent of the total sample, nearly twice as high as the Lisak/Miller study — who would be considered rapists. This suggests that the problem is far more widespread than the older study indicated.
...
They found that of the 105 men who admitted to rape in that sample, 37 percent fell into the “decreasing” trajectory (39 men), which meant that they admitted to rape in high school but didn’t report continuing to rape throughout college (the vast majority — 87 percent — of this group committed rape during one or fewer college years). Eighteen percent of the self-reported rapists (19 men) fell into the “increasing” trajectory, which meant that all but two did not begin committing rape until they arrived at college (nearly all of this group committed rape in multiple college years, primarily as sophomores, juniors and seniors). Most (75 percent) of the men who admitted to rape during college did so during one year.


Women don't really have an irrational fear of strange men.


These numbers are so far from the BJS numbers, which is a very governmental reliable source.

But...let's consider that the Swartout's are real and accurate: 37 out of 105 men, meaning about 35% of men are rapists, let's consider male population of US 323/2 =161.5 , that means there are 56 millions men who committed rape in the US, let alone those who did other types of sex crimes (ie. harassment, catcalls...etc).
If they are raping 1/4 of women, that means there are about 40 millions women in the US been who have raped, let alone the victims of other sex crimes.

Logically, this should cause way more massive anti-rape women-protests and sit-ins in the country, even more than what happened in India; it would cause a total civilian unrest and boycotting of many sorts from women against politicians, organizations..etc .... the hell, that may even lead to women taking arms and a kind of armed civil war between women and men would be erupted.

Just pause for a second and think of the magnitude of these numbers.