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07 May 2018, 1:31 pm

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Why do you dislike single lonely men?


There’s a difference between single and lonely men and the type of violent abusive rape and murder promoting “incel,” she’s talking about, sly. No one is hating on people simply for being single and lonely. The hate is directed towards violent, vile, incels.


I feel it’s not the case, goldfish.

Imagine if a guy keeps insulting SJWs on wp’s women forum...he can’t claim later that his hate is directed just at the radical feminists because there’s a reason why he’s posting that in the women’s forum in particular.

She’s obviously hinting that the single guys here are potential incel terrorists.
She is just followng the new trendy way of virgin shaming.



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07 May 2018, 1:46 pm

They're clearly talking about a particular type of "incel."

I don't feel that we should be restricted from talking about violent incels because #notallincels.

And people b***h about "radical feminists" all the time.


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07 May 2018, 1:49 pm

sly279 wrote:
Why do you dislike single lonely men?


I don't dislike single lonely men. I dislike toxic attitudes.



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07 May 2018, 1:54 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Why do you dislike single lonely men?


There’s a difference between single and lonely men and the type of violent abusive rape and murder promoting “incel,” she’s talking about, sly. No one is hating on people simply for being single and lonely. The hate is directed towards violent, vile, incels.


I feel it’s not the case, goldfish.

Imagine if a guy keeps insulting SJWs on wp’s women forum...he can’t claim later that his hate is directed just at the radical feminists because there’s a reason why he’s posting that in the women’s forum in particular.

She’s obviously hinting that the single guys here are potential incel terrorists.
She is just followng the new trendy way of virgin shaming.


As a somewhat neutral 3rd party referee here, being the most frequent resident gay poster, I don't see it your way - and I'm sure you've seen me call out some pretty wild and weird anti-male fem-nazi posts here in the past. Re-read her post. It's about men behaving badly & worse, not about single lonely men who are simply single and lonely.

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I just love how so many guys on L&D and society in general think sex is like some kind of miraculous medicine that will solve all their problems - loneliness, depression, frustration, anxiety, or even being a huge jerk. When a guy is a huge jerk, people say "Oh he just needs a girlfriend". Guess what? There are plenty of guys who have girlfriends and a sex life and they're *still* huge jerks.

Incels claim to be highly intelligent, but if they were they would realize that the main reason they can't get women to sleep with them is because they're about as charming and pleasant as a malignant brain tumor. The things they have posted are so vile I could barely stomach it.

But I'm a woman, it's not as if they would listen to me. They wouldn't listen even if I were a guy with the same "opinions". :roll:


She's not wrong, boo. A lot of times people will suggest that a guy needs to get laid/get a girlfriend if he's having some frustrations and life difficulties that can be blamed on his dry spell. This is very true. Mind you, it's also true that getting laid does in fact help resolve many of these issues when a man is actually sexually frustrated vs. just frustrated. But, like she points out, there are some men who are simply jerks whether they're getting any or not and to blame their behaviour on women not putting out enough is pretty f*****g pathetic.

She makes her next valid point in that incels (the violent nasty kind) aren't bright enough to realize that they're not charming, pleasant, appealing, or enticing in the least bit and that's a major MAJOR reason they're not getting any. Anyone with half a brain should realize that horrible violent thoughts & expressions of rape and murder are not going to put a vibe out into the dating world that says "come to me.. I'm exactly what you desire."

And she seems to also be on point with her closing statement that her thoughts would be discounted as meaningless because she's a woman, and you pretty much did exactly that by suggesting that you do not believe her & that she's saying these things as a way to be insulting to all single lonely men vs. directing her thoughts towards violent, despicable, self labeled "incels." Re-read her words, boo. She's talking about really, REALLY, bad men, not joe-schmoe single lonely guy off doing his own thing not bothering anybody. There's a big difference and to suggest otherwise is actually pretty rude - same same goes for sly's posted question suggesting she hates single lonely men, that was rude, too, because that's not what she wrote. At all.


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07 May 2018, 3:31 pm

XFilesGeek wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Why do you dislike single lonely men?


There’s a difference between single and lonely men and the type of violent abusive rape and murder promoting “incel,” she’s talking about, sly. No one is hating on people simply for being single and lonely. The hate is directed towards violent, vile, incels.


^ This.

From what this thread said. Incel is any man who’s single not by choice,
So all lonely single men. As single men who shoice to be single aren’t lonely.
She didn’t say violent Incels, or incels part of the violent movement.

If I made her post but switched incel for feminist, you’d be all over me saying I’m generalizing.



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07 May 2018, 3:41 pm

XFilesGeek wrote:
They're clearly talking about a particular type of "incel."

I don't feel that we should be restricted from talking about violent incels because #notallincels.

And people b***h about "radical feminists" all the time.

I, threaten with bans for not saying some or most or the certain group etc. women shouldn’t get away with such broad language either. I’m not saying ban her or warn her but lik happens to me people could point out her saying incels is broad seems to label men here as potential terrorists. Doesn’t help other posts hinted at me being one and that’s why I have to be squasniw before I become violent. :cry:

No boos right they seem to b dor directing it at lonely single men here, not violent men from another forum none of whom are fen going read anything on this forum.
The poster in general seems to feel men here not so,emviolent incel forum but men here are threatening and want women as slaves and plan to attack women. I’ve not seen any of that on this forum.

If I say feminism want this, I’m told #notall feminist, not all women are this way. You can’t make generalizations sly. You need to specify sly. But women do generalsarions and fail to specify and it’s ok, no one calls them out on it they defend their generalizations.

So if it’s ok then I’ll go back to just saying women this and woman that. It’s really hard for me to remember to specify too, maybe it’s hard for her to too, i dont know she has to came back to say if she didn’t mean men here or meant men on those forums, I tell people I don’t mesn all women but I still get told to specify that I don’t.

So is it ok or not ok? It can’t not be ok for men but be ok for women.

Again I don’t want her banned or warned. I feel worried for her. She seems upset and scared. I feel bad for her. I’d like to comfort her but she doesn’t like me so doesn’t seem anyway I can. I hope she feel better. It makes me sad. But same time i feel like I’m being accused to be some future murderer that’s unavoidable because I’m single and unlovable and not happy about . It’s the whole “you’re just another hats his name in the waiting” all over again



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07 May 2018, 3:46 pm

Chronos wrote:
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Why do you dislike single lonely men?


I don't dislike single lonely men. I dislike toxic attitudes.


Why aren’t you calling her out chronos? Thought you said you call out any generalizations? Seems you and others only call out ones if they seem towards women.



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07 May 2018, 3:55 pm

sly279 wrote:
XFilesGeek wrote:
They're clearly talking about a particular type of "incel."

I don't feel that we should be restricted from talking about violent incels because #notallincels.

And people b***h about "radical feminists" all the time.

I, threaten with bans for not saying some or most or the certain group etc. women shouldn’t get away with such broad language either. I’m not saying ban her or warn her but lik happens to me people could point out her saying incels is broad seems to label men here as potential terrorists. Doesn’t help other posts hinted at me being one and that’s why I have to be squasniw before I become violent. :cry:

No boos right they seem to b dor directing it at lonely single men here, not violent men from another forum none of whom are fen going read anything on this forum.
The poster in general seems to feel men here not so,emviolent incel forum but men here are threatening and want women as slaves and plan to attack women. I’ve not seen any of that on this forum.

If I say feminism want this, I’m told #notall feminist, not all women are this way. You can’t make generalizations sly. You need to specify sly. But women do generalsarions and fail to specify and it’s ok, no one calls them out on it they defend their generalizations.

So if it’s ok then I’ll go back to just saying women this and woman that. It’s really hard for me to remember to specify too, maybe it’s hard for her to too, i dont know she has to came back to say if she didn’t mean men here or meant men on those forums, I tell people I don’t mesn all women but I still get told to specify that I don’t.

So is it ok or not ok? It can’t not be ok for men but be ok for women.

Again I don’t want her banned or warned. I feel worried for her. She seems upset and scared. I feel bad for her. I’d like to comfort her but she doesn’t like me so doesn’t seem anyway I can. I hope she feel better. It makes me sad. But same time i feel like I’m being accused to be some future murderer that’s unavoidable because I’m single and unlovable and not happy about . It’s the whole “you’re just another hats his name in the waiting” all over again


No, again, she's clearly speaking about the "incels" referenced in the beginning of this thread.

And you still make generalizations about women (you were even reported for it some time ago). Should I infer from that that you hate all women?


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07 May 2018, 3:56 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Why do you dislike single lonely men?


There’s a difference between single and lonely men and the type of violent abusive rape and murder promoting “incel,” she’s talking about, sly. No one is hating on people simply for being single and lonely. The hate is directed towards violent, vile, incels.


I feel it’s not the case, goldfish.

Imagine if a guy keeps insulting SJWs on wp’s women forum...he can’t claim later that his hate is directed just at the radical feminists because there’s a reason why he’s posting that in the women’s forum in particular.

She’s obviously hinting that the single guys here are potential incel terrorists.
She is just followng the new trendy way of virgin shaming.


As a somewhat neutral 3rd party referee here, being the most frequent resident gay poster, I don't see it your way - and I'm sure you've seen me call out some pretty wild and weird anti-male fem-nazi posts here in the past. Re-read her post. It's about men behaving badly & worse, not about single lonely men who are simply single and lonely.

lostonearth35 wrote:
I just love how so many guys on L&D and society in general think sex is like some kind of miraculous medicine that will solve all their problems - loneliness, depression, frustration, anxiety, or even being a huge jerk. When a guy is a huge jerk, people say "Oh he just needs a girlfriend". Guess what? There are plenty of guys who have girlfriends and a sex life and they're *still* huge jerks.

Incels claim to be highly intelligent, but if they were they would realize that the main reason they can't get women to sleep with them is because they're about as charming and pleasant as a malignant brain tumor. The things they have posted are so vile I could barely stomach it.

But I'm a woman, it's not as if they would listen to me. They wouldn't listen even if I were a guy with the same "opinions". :roll:


She's not wrong, boo. A lot of times people will suggest that a guy needs to get laid/get a girlfriend if he's having some frustrations and life difficulties that can be blamed on his dry spell. This is very true. Mind you, it's also true that getting laid does in fact help resolve many of these issues when a man is actually sexually frustrated vs. just frustrated. But, like she points out, there are some men who are simply jerks whether they're getting any or not and to blame their behaviour on women not putting out enough is pretty f*****g pathetic.

She makes her next valid point in that incels (the violent nasty kind) aren't bright enough to realize that they're not charming, pleasant, appealing, or enticing in the least bit and that's a major MAJOR reason they're not getting any. Anyone with half a brain should realize that horrible violent thoughts & expressions of rape and murder are not going to put a vibe out into the dating world that says "come to me.. I'm exactly what you desire."

And she seems to also be on point with her closing statement that her thoughts would be discounted as meaningless because she's a woman, and you pretty much did exactly that by suggesting that you do not believe her & that she's saying these things as a way to be insulting to all single lonely men vs. directing her thoughts towards violent, despicable, self labeled "incels." Re-read her words, boo. She's talking about really, REALLY, bad men, not joe-schmoe single lonely guy off doing his own thing not bothering anybody. There's a big difference and to suggest otherwise is actually pretty rude - same same goes for sly's posted question suggesting she hates single lonely men, that was rude, too, because that's not what she wrote. At all.


Her generalizing incels is right?
I’ve never claimed to be intelligent, quite the opposite I accept I’m probably super low intelligent and thus most women won’t like that.

Incels don’t claim anything they don’t do any. Th incel movement or whatever they call themselves may claim stuff just as feminist organization may do stuff. Which is why I should say feminism not feminist. Though it’s quite different since feminist is something you chose but incel is a definition word for a class of men and ?women? Is there a different word for women who are single not by choice? So it’s like blacks vs black life matters. One is a class of people the other is an organization. I think it’s ok to generalize organizations by the actions of their representatives and actions, but it isn’t ok to generalize a class of people. So if she wants to talk about violent incel movements ok, but to talk about incels or talk about incels on this forum isnt ok or it shouldn’t be.

Or as my previous post it should be ok for everyone. But it seems men are only one talked to about it and women are defended when they do it



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07 May 2018, 4:01 pm

XFilesGeek wrote:
sly279 wrote:
XFilesGeek wrote:
They're clearly talking about a particular type of "incel."

I don't feel that we should be restricted from talking about violent incels because #notallincels.

And people b***h about "radical feminists" all the time.

I, threaten with bans for not saying some or most or the certain group etc. women shouldn’t get away with such broad language either. I’m not saying ban her or warn her but lik happens to me people could point out her saying incels is broad seems to label men here as potential terrorists. Doesn’t help other posts hinted at me being one and that’s why I have to be squasniw before I become violent. :cry:

No boos right they seem to b dor directing it at lonely single men here, not violent men from another forum none of whom are fen going read anything on this forum.
The poster in general seems to feel men here not so,emviolent incel forum but men here are threatening and want women as slaves and plan to attack women. I’ve not seen any of that on this forum.

If I say feminism want this, I’m told #notall feminist, not all women are this way. You can’t make generalizations sly. You need to specify sly. But women do generalsarions and fail to specify and it’s ok, no one calls them out on it they defend their generalizations.

So if it’s ok then I’ll go back to just saying women this and woman that. It’s really hard for me to remember to specify too, maybe it’s hard for her to too, i dont know she has to came back to say if she didn’t mean men here or meant men on those forums, I tell people I don’t mesn all women but I still get told to specify that I don’t.

So is it ok or not ok? It can’t not be ok for men but be ok for women.

Again I don’t want her banned or warned. I feel worried for her. She seems upset and scared. I feel bad for her. I’d like to comfort her but she doesn’t like me so doesn’t seem anyway I can. I hope she feel better. It makes me sad. But same time i feel like I’m being accused to be some future murderer that’s unavoidable because I’m single and unlovable and not happy about . It’s the whole “you’re just another hats his name in the waiting” all over again


No, again, she's clearly speaking about the "incels" referenced in the beginning of this thread.

And you still make generalizations about women (you were even reported for it some time ago). Should I infer from that that you hate all women?



I’m an incel, many men on this forum are incels. And she says the guys on this forum.(this thread isn’t about guys on this forum but men on a violent incel movement forum)
She doesn’t say th guys on those violent incel forums. Or th incels Who ar violent. Combined with her heaven post about men in this forum seems to be she feels threaten by incels on wrong planet who seems to think will be violent towards women and support such actions.

I make mistakes and I get threatened with bans and talked to about them, not a single slip up I make goes without chronos pointing it out. But here we are with people defending this posters possible slip up. I don’t get such defense from the posters defending hers. But I already figured chronos is one sided.

But what do I know according to goldfish yiu think I may kill women at some point and is just trying to nip it before that happens.
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07 May 2018, 5:41 pm

Unless you belong to an incel forum like incel.me and regularly post on it about how much you hate women and wish they were handed out to lonely guys by the government to be systematically raped into submission, this thread is not about you.

Get over yourself, Sly. Not every thread is about you, and this thread is clearly labelled as being for incel forum guys who post violent hateful content about women. That is who the discussion is clearly about. Stop making everything on WP about you.



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07 May 2018, 5:49 pm

And XFiles made it quite clear that there is a distinction between:

1. Lonely men who are virgins and have had few or no relationships.

2. Men who go on, and identify with, "incel" forums and advocate violence against women because they "are to blame" for them being virgins and for having few or no relationships.

Sly belongs to the first category (though he actually doesn't, because he is not a virgin). He doesn't belong to the second category. Nobody has ever said that Sly is an "incel" in the sense of those idiots on that "incel" forum.

No man here, as far as I know, has gone on "incel" forums.

Those are truly radical nuts whom nobody should associate with.



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07 May 2018, 7:02 pm

karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
Unless you belong to an incel forum like incel.me and regularly post on it about how much you hate women and wish they were handed out to lonely guys by the government to be systematically raped into submission, this thread is not about you.

Get over yourself, Sly. Not every thread is about you, and this thread is clearly labelled as being for incel forum guys who post violent hateful content about women. That is who the discussion is clearly about. Stop making everything on WP about you.

Thank you.

I took the weekend off to pressure-wash the back patio and seem to have missed some drama.

My aching back thinks I should have stayed on the forums instead, but my more relaxed brain appreciated the break.


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07 May 2018, 7:06 pm

How long can your enjoy you patio now?

As opposed to before you "pressure-washed" it?

To be honest, I'm not that great at cleaning---but it seems to me that you did a productive thing that would lead to a summer and autumn of sheer patio enjoyment. And prevented the pitfalls which inevitably come with lack of maintenance.



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07 May 2018, 7:12 pm

Well, before I pressure-washed it it was fairly mossy - that happens in the Pacific Northwest a lot!

Now that it's all clean I'm able to relax out there, and this is a good time of year to tidy it up so we can enjoy time outside with the dogs as the weather is warmer.

Before I cleaned it up, I really wasn't able to enjoy it...the moss makes things damp and squishy. Now the patio furniture is all nice and clean, and I can sit down without wondering if I'll get back up with soggy shorts and green moss stains across my keister. :wink:


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07 May 2018, 7:16 pm

It's funny: I've always had nice associations with moss. I've used moss as a pillow when I was kid during overnight sleepovers in the woods.

But I get where you're coming from: moss can lead to mold.....which can be quite harmful.

It's better that you got the job done now, rather than having to do it when it's really hot (though, if you're on the Washington/Oregon coast, it really doesn't get hot and humid very often).