Bigotry against involuntarily celibate men

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If by "incels" you are referring to a specific narrow group of self-identified individuals who congregate online and spew hatred and misogyny, then I have never traveled in those circles and was not even aware of their existence until now.

However, I am not in the slightest convinced that what most posters mean, as you claim. As evidence, I direct you to Aspie19828's post:



Note that the poster refers to the perpetrators of the Oklahoma City Bombing and the Columbine shooting as incels, despite the fact that both of these events took place many years before the term incel was coined or online incel forums existed. This proves that Aspie19828 did not mean exclusively self-identifying incels when they proclaimed "facts and evidence reveal true incels are evil people that carry out real crimes", but lonely men in general.

People claiming that by "incels" they do not mean all lonely men are talking out of both sides of their mouths. First, they proclaim "all incels", but when backed into a corner regarding their bigotry they attempt to backpedal by claiming they only meant self-identifying incels. But Aspie19828 has unwittingly exposed that particular lie.

Regardless of whatever semantics are in play, it is a reality of my life that I have rarely been able to attract a girlfriend due to my Autism. The only exception was when I spent two years in a toxic and emotionally abusive relationship with a woman who exploited my loneliness and insecurities to manipulate and use me. That relationship ended over 10 years ago and I have not experienced any romantic success since then.

I accept that no woman is obligated to settle for a loser like myself when there are always much better options available. I do not begrudge them that. I am aware it is neither the fault of women nor genetically superior men that I am a loser. I accept that this is my own failing, not a conspiracy to keep me miserable.

Yet when I attempted to express my feelings of depression and despair to others, hoping to find support; instead I was often mocked as a loser, labeled a misogynist, told I think I'm entitled to sex, and compared to Elliot Rodgers.

There are thousands of people like me, possibly even millions, who never have and never would hurt or condone hurting anyone. We are driven to depression by our loneliness, often ending in suicide. But nobody ever notices. It is only the Rodgers and Minassians the world ever sees. And I'm tired of it.

The topic of this thread is not analogous to an anti-Semitic thread because it is not anti-women or any other group. It exists to defend the thousands of non-violent lonely men lime myself who are constantly compared unfairly to the likes of Elliot Rodger.

Every time a shooting like this does occur, thousands of men whose only crime is being socially awkward and lonely (often due to falling on the Autism Spectrum) are treated by everyone around like they're monsters. Which is why this topic is particularly relevant in the wake of Friday's shooting and is in no way disrespectful to the victims.

Following the 9/11 terrorist attacks, a number of politicians and celebrities around the US and world came out to remind everyone that the terrorists do not represent all Muslims and that the majority of Muslims are kind and peaceful people. From your point of view, that was disrespectful to the victims as well. Right?

In fact, the only way anyone can consider it disrespectful is if you think all lonely men are responsible for or endorse such crimes.

Here are your own words: "How many incels need to go on killing sprees before we stop talking about how unfair it is to judge people negatively for calling themselves incels?"

Your own comment reveals that you simply want to use these tragedies as an excuse to rationalize your bigotry. You speak out both sides of your mouth, first proclaiming "all incels", but then trying to backpedal when called out on your bigotry to claim you only meant a specific narrow group of incels. Nice try, but your words are right here for all to see.

It's hard to have sympathy for "involuntarily celibate men", considering that voluntarily celibate men (read: clergy) are among the most privileged class on the planet.

It's hard to have sympathy for "involuntarily celibate men", considering that voluntarily celibate men (read: clergy) are among the most privileged class on the planet.

It's hard to have sympathy for "involuntarily celibate men", considering that voluntarily celibate men (read: clergy) are among the most privileged class on the planet.

This is a false analogy. What would be a better analogy would be to compare lonely men to muslims and men who identify as incel and belong to incel forums as an extremist group like ISIS. When there are terrorist attacks people look at extremist groups like ISIS because the terrorist will claim to be from a group like that or Al Queda or whatever, not just a muslim. As the shooter on Friday identified as an woman-hating extremist incel and not just a lonely man.

I have no bigotry against lonely men, I only have disdain for men who identify with terrorist incels like Friday's shooter. Please stop putting words in my mouth that I didn't say, it only makes you look like the one with an agenda here and it makes it hard to take your arguments seriously.

The majority of incels are living in rich countries and are mainly frustrated white males. It is a first world problem. In third world countries people have far more important issues enough food, water and housing, etc and living another day.

Incels are more likely narcissistic sociopaths or schizoids than Aspies. Incels have the inability to show empathy because they do not have feelings. Elliot Rodger was a narcissistic sociopath with mental health issues including depression and social anxiety.

Most incels spend way too much time in their bedroom, crying poor me, why me? They post on forums, make videos and cry: "Poor me, why me?" They have their excuses/reasons why they are unwanted and hated by society: like small wrists, too short, too bald, too fat, small frame, no job, not rich, etc.

MGTOW is the best way and average men can spend their time on themselves and do what they want and make better use of their lives.

I spend my life focusing on me and my interests. I do not want to waste time being depressed, negative, self pity, bitterness, resentment, frustrated. I have accepted I do not need women in my life. I have control over my life and I do what I want with my life. I do not buy into the Hollywood hype or the western media propaganda that being in a relationship is important. More incels need to realise they can be strong on their own and they do not need women in their lives and there is no need worrying about them.

This might be the single dumbest thing I’ve ever read on wrong planet.

Honestly, that's all a pretty good way to go about it. As painful as it is for many to be alone, a lot could probably find themselves in a slightly better place if they managed to shift their focus onto something else (and I know that it isn't easy). Maybe it could even be possible to find a way to channel the frustration into something more constructive. I like to think that in the future we'll come up with a good alternative outlet for those who have fallen outside or been left behind anyway. Whether that'll be robots, virtual reality or whatnot. I'm pretty excited to see what we'll manage with artificial intelligence, myself.