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29 Apr 2020, 12:47 pm

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Interesting discussion! Alot of good advice here.  The only thing I can add is that from what I’ve seen, read and experienced, Aspie men can appear very mysterious and alluring to both NT and ND women. I guess it just depends on attraction. Attraction is truly in the eye of the beholder.
If one is ugly, then attraction is only in the eye of the beer holder.



Don't The Girls All Get Prettier At Closing Time
Written by Baker Knight
Performed Mickey Gilley
First released in January 1976

The girls all get prettier at closing time
They all begin to look like movie stars
The girls all get prettier at closing time
When the change starts taking place
It puts a glow on every face
Of the falling angels of the back street bars.

If I could rate'em on a scale from 1 to 10
I'm lookin' for a 9 but 8 would slip right in
A few more drinks and I might slip to a 5 or even a 4
But when tomorrow morning comes,
And I wake up with a number 1
I swear I'll never do it anymore.

The girls all get prettier at closing time
They all begin to look like movie stars
The girls all get prettier at closing time
When the change starts taking place
It puts a glow on every face
Of the falling angels of the back street bars.

Now, I don't mean to criticize the girls at all
I know Robert Redford, even overhauls
We all picture in our minds a girl that looks just right
Ain't it funny, ain't it strange,
The way a man's opinion changes
When he starts to face that lonely night.


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29 Apr 2020, 1:40 pm

Boo & Fnord :lol: You both know how looks do not maketh the man, right? There’s nothing more attractive than a man’s mind .... looks matter not!



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29 Apr 2020, 1:58 pm

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Boo & Fnord :lol: You both know how looks do not maketh the man, right? There’s nothing more attractive than a man’s mind .... looks matter not!


I was always told I needed to pump iron and not be “fat loser” or “skinny wimp” if I wanted a girlfriend but I’ve seen both fat and skinny guys with girlfriends. One of the fat guys I saw at college had a skinny nerdy/geeky girlfriend and made her frosted Rice Krispie treats. For the record, I am overweight to the point I am almost obese but women just don’t seem interested in me.



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29 Apr 2020, 2:35 pm

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Boo & Fnord :lol: You both know how looks do not maketh the man, right? There’s nothing more attractive than a man’s mind .... looks matter not!
Are you familiar with The Smurfs?  Would you recognize the character Gargamel?  This is he...

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^ THAT is what I look like, except my hair is white, and there is much less of it, too (I also wear sandals, shorts, and Hawai'ian shirts when I'm not at work).

Yet, I've been married for over a quarter-century to an Asian woman who loves me and does everything she can to make me happy.  She says I'm intelligent, nice, and handsome -- that last one is a lie, but it's a loving lie; we both know it isn't true, but I like hearing it, and she likes making me happy.

I think I'll keep her another quarter-century ... and more, G^D willing!


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29 Apr 2020, 2:36 pm

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Boo & Fnord :lol: You both know how looks do not maketh the man, right? There’s nothing more attractive than a man’s mind .... looks matter not!


I was always told I needed to pump iron and not be “fat loser” or “skinny wimp” if I wanted a girlfriend but I’ve seen both fat and skinny guys with girlfriends. One of the fat guys I saw at college had a skinny nerdy/geeky girlfriend and made her frosted Rice Krispie treats. For the record, I am overweight to the point I am almost obese but women just don’t seem interested in me.

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Being borderline obese doesn't help your chances if you truly want a girlfriend.Fat dudes who do have attractive girlfriends usally are very charming with great social skills or have great jobs.You seem to have nether.Not saying being thin will guarantee you a girlfriend,but being borderline obese,while also being a aspie without having a great paying job will make it extremely difficult,if not impossible for you to attract a girl who shares your interest,and is also great or even decent looking.



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29 Apr 2020, 3:21 pm

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Boo & Fnord :lol: You both know how looks do not maketh the man, right? There’s nothing more attractive than a man’s mind .... looks matter not!


I was always told I needed to pump iron and not be “fat loser” or “skinny wimp” if I wanted a girlfriend but I’ve seen both fat and skinny guys with girlfriends. One of the fat guys I saw at college had a skinny nerdy/geeky girlfriend and made her frosted Rice Krispie treats. For the record, I am overweight to the point I am almost obese but women just don’t seem interested in me.

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Being borderline obese doesn't help your chances if you truly want a girlfriend.Fat dudes who do have attractive girlfriends usally are very charming with great social skills or have great jobs.You seem to have nether.Not saying being thin will guarantee you a girlfriend,but being borderline obese,while also being a aspie without having a great paying job will make it extremely difficult,if not impossible for you to attract a girl who shares your interest,and is also great or even decent looking.

@Marknis
Probably statistically valid, however the thought occurs that unless you have a medical condition here it might be possible for you to do something about this along the lines of diet & physical activity.

I can cook, but don’t know anything about dietary nutrition as such, or goal oriented exercise

Oh, silly me :P
Learning to cook is, as far as I’m aware, a plus re: being an attractive male human.



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29 Apr 2020, 4:26 pm

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Boo & Fnord :lol: You both know how looks do not maketh the man, right? There’s nothing more attractive than a man’s mind .... looks matter not!


I was always told I needed to pump iron and not be “fat loser” or “skinny wimp” if I wanted a girlfriend but I’ve seen both fat and skinny guys with girlfriends. One of the fat guys I saw at college had a skinny nerdy/geeky girlfriend and made her frosted Rice Krispie treats. For the record, I am overweight to the point I am almost obese but women just don’t seem interested in me.


Sorry to hear you were given that advice, Marknis. Can’t help but feel that a good and kind heart will always eventually have its day. How do you see yourself? Do you think you’re good company? A good listener? Someone who can compromise? Do you have interests that mean the potential is there to meet new people while engaging in these interests? Not that sharing the same interests really matters. What matters is the ability to form a bond with someone over time, and sustain it, in a meaningful and caring way with each other. Hopefully, one day you’ll look back at this time in your life, and think “It really did happen when I least expected it.”



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29 Apr 2020, 4:38 pm

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Boo & Fnord :lol: You both know how looks do not maketh the man, right? There’s nothing more attractive than a man’s mind .... looks matter not!
Are you familiar with The Smurfs?  Would you recognize the character Gargamel?  This is he...

Image

^ THAT is what I look like, except my hair is white, and there is much less of it, too (I also wear sandals, shorts, and Hawai'ian shirts when I'm not at work).

Yet, I've been married for over a quarter-century to an Asian woman who loves me and does everything she can to make me happy.  She says I'm intelligent, nice, and handsome -- that last one is a lie, but it's a loving lie; we both know it isn't true, but I like hearing it, and she likes making me happy.

I think I'll keep her another quarter-century ... and more, G^D willing!


Oh Fnord! You are adorable :lol:! So good to hear that you have such a loving wife, someone who appreciates you. Being married for over a quarter of a century is no small achievement ... congratulations! Long may you and Mrs Gargamel live and love this way ... that’s pretty special! From your scrunched up nose and unibrow all the way down to those red velvet booties, I mean to say, how could any woman NOT find THAT adorable?! :lol:



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29 Apr 2020, 5:26 pm

Fnord wrote:
Juliette wrote:
Boo & Fnord :lol: You both know how looks do not maketh the man, right? There’s nothing more attractive than a man’s mind .... looks matter not!
Are you familiar with The Smurfs?  Would you recognize the character Gargamel?  This is he...

Image

^ THAT is what I look like, except my hair is white, and there is much less of it, too (I also wear sandals, shorts, and Hawai'ian shirts when I'm not at work).



You may secretly have a soft side!

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Your wife loves beer a lot, doesn't she? Red Horse?



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29 Apr 2020, 7:44 pm

Juliette wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Juliette wrote:
Boo & Fnord :lol: You both know how looks do not maketh the man, right? There’s nothing more attractive than a man’s mind .... looks matter not!
Are you familiar with The Smurfs?  Would you recognize the character Gargamel?  This is he...

Image

^ THAT is what I look like, except my hair is white, and there is much less of it, too (I also wear sandals, shorts, and Hawai'ian shirts when I'm not at work).

Yet, I've been married for over a quarter-century to an Asian woman who loves me and does everything she can to make me happy.  She says I'm intelligent, nice, and handsome -- that last one is a lie, but it's a loving lie; we both know it isn't true, but I like hearing it, and she likes making me happy.

I think I'll keep her another quarter-century ... and more, G^D willing!


Oh Fnord! You are adorable :lol:! So good to hear that you have such a loving wife, someone who appreciates you. Being married for over a quarter of a century is no small achievement ... congratulations! Long may you and Mrs Gargamel live and love this way ... that’s pretty special! From your scrunched up nose and unibrow all the way down to those red velvet booties, I mean to say, how could any woman NOT find THAT adorable?! :lol:


Having a loving wife,
Does *not* make Fnord "adorable".
It makes him a damned good hypnotist. :mrgreen:



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29 Apr 2020, 7:58 pm

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I would put up with all the drama, I do that unconditionally with people I care about if I am convinced that they aren't deliberately hurting me. Life is not always convenient. I don't give up on people I love, love to me is not evolutionary/biological programming or conditioning, or romantic mushiness, it's the ability to care for someone else as much as we care for ourselves. I still love people who have hurt me deeply and consistently, I separate from them but I can't stop loving. It's a bug in my default, I don't have the capacity for resentment, hate or revenge.


Overwhelmingly, "luv" is inextricably intertwined with sexual potential, whether most people realise it or not.

The evolutionary process is watching you,
And if all the warm and fuzzies don't eventually produce the fruit of your loins,
Evolution will be wery, wery sad,
Because if everyone refrains from reproduction,
Our Mr/Ms Evolution will no longer exist. 8O

By all means "luv" until you explode in bliss,
But please be aware, that you are being taken for a ride by the less cognisant aspect of your brain.
That is all I ask. 8)



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29 Apr 2020, 8:16 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Juliette wrote:
Interesting discussion! Alot of good advice here.

The only thing I can add is that from what I’ve seen, read and experienced, Aspie men can appear very mysterious and alluring to both NT and ND women. I guess it just depends on attraction. Attraction is truly in the eye of the beholder.


If one is ugly, then attraction is only in the eye of the beer holder.


:mrgreen:

Though there is a diversity of thought, in regards to attractiveness,
The rule of thumb and it is a very big "thumb",
Not a "Thumbelina Thumbelina, tiny little thing" type thumb, :mrgreen:
Is that a prospective partner is generally chosen on the basis of the considered, consciously or unconsciously, viability of possible offsprings.
Chemical/body sent compatibility, is an example of nature's vetting regime.

In this context, it is usually the case of: "The survival of the sexiest",
Withing generous tolerances, observably. 8)

And obviously,
The same man who is rich, is more attractive than if he were poor, usually.
Fnord must be a wery, wery rich man. :mrgreen:



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29 Apr 2020, 8:19 pm

Would it be unfair to say the romantic struggles those with ASD are likely to face are really just nature's best attempt to 'correct' these traits? For everyone who's struggling, there's no shame, you're doing as well as was likely based on the cards you were dealt; to everyone who's succeeding, congratulations, you're an abominable freak of nature and I commend you. We don't all struggle to the same degree, but many of the struggles are shared to an extent. Doing better than average doesn't mean that you just inherently struggled less, so successes do genuinely deserve to be celebrated.

Just like any other social animal, being coded with slightly different firmware seems to make a big deal to how well we can thrive in a population with which we seem to lack a basic level of compatibility, especially since NDs all seem to get their own unique test version, meaning we can't even assume we'll be more compatible amongst ourselves than we are in general.


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30 Apr 2020, 10:30 am

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Juliette wrote:
Boo & Fnord :lol: You both know how looks do not maketh the man, right? There’s nothing more attractive than a man’s mind .... looks matter not!


I was always told I needed to pump iron and not be “fat loser” or “skinny wimp” if I wanted a girlfriend but I’ve seen both fat and skinny guys with girlfriends. One of the fat guys I saw at college had a skinny nerdy/geeky girlfriend and made her frosted Rice Krispie treats. For the record, I am overweight to the point I am almost obese but women just don’t seem interested in me.


Sorry to hear you were given that advice, Marknis. Can’t help but feel that a good and kind heart will always eventually have its day. How do you see yourself? Do you think you’re good company? A good listener? Someone who can compromise? Do you have interests that mean the potential is there to meet new people while engaging in these interests? Not that sharing the same interests really matters. What matters is the ability to form a bond with someone over time, and sustain it, in a meaningful and caring way with each other. Hopefully, one day you’ll look back at this time in your life, and think “It really did happen when I least expected it.”


I live in a rough culture so that’s partly why I was told unhelpful things like that and it stunted my inner growth so to say. Instead of getting encouraged to be myself, I was pushed to be a follower of the crowd. Whenever I would see a guy who wasn’t an iron pumping alpha male with a girlfriend, it would surprise me. I remember seeing a guy who would be considered a “loser neckbeard white guy” at a park with a cute Asian girl wearing a Hello Kitty backpack and a Legend of Zelda shirt, IIRC. It does show that those morons who call themselves “kingly” or “real men” aren’t always right and many of them actually gripe and complain about their own girlfriends.

I see myself as someone who fell behind socially and I want to escape the vicious cycle I am stuck in but it feels impossible. There are people who like me and sometimes wonder why I am not always around or why I haven’t kept contact for a while. My listening skills are better than they used to be and I can compromise. Sometimes my interests lead to social interaction, sometimes not.



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30 Apr 2020, 1:12 pm

Dear Mark, thanks for your message. So, from what I’ve read, you seem respectful and caring of women, and someone who does have a good heart. I can only say this from what I’ve read of you here. You have a strong desire to find someone. With that in mind, have you ever felt electricity with anyone? Ever connected with anyone enough to want to pursue them romantically? This virus lockdown business will ease gradually, and you will be able to date(if that’s what you really want to do) soon(even if online and phone-wise initially). I’m hoping that you’re not “accidentally’ self-sabotaging as quite a few men on the spectrum seem to do. Self esteem and depression/anxiety can really work against you when you want something and measure your self worth by your relationship success or lack of. The past is the past. Close the door on it. The sooner, the better. Starting completely afresh, as if you’ve woken from a deep sleep or in this case, a plague, and emerged to start a fresh chapter in your life, is a good start.

I’d like to think that relationships are best formed naturally, without pressure, and the best of them catch you when you’re least expecting, and just having fun, living your life from day to day, no expectations. If you’re not attracted to anyone at the moment in your current work/life/study situation, then meeting your future girlfriend involves broadening your horizons. If things haven’t changed in a long while, then by not making changes, you’re possibly falling into “acceptance” mode, thinking it’s never going to happen. If you can be proactive in joining new sites or getting yourself out there, once lockdown is eased, and portray that caring, fun, positive nature that has been kicked down in the past, but has decided to rise again .... then you will have increased your chances tenfold, of finding that someone. Confidence is attractive. A caring, sensitive, aspie man is hyper- attractive. Your mind is the key. As you’ve seen, men of all shapes & sizes attract the women of their dreams, and they don’t do that by speaking about the past. Their previous experiences, the times they were feeling defeated and any continual mention of past relationships or lack thereof, can work against them. The aim is to live in the moment and let be, what will be.

If you’re determined enough to not project that you’re a victim of the past, and can erase it from your chats with the woman or women in your future, you’ll be doing yourself a huge favour. Once you connect with someone, and discover that spark, you’ll want to pursue her and provided you do that in a positive manner, and ensure your interactions are fun and meaningful, not heavy with depressive thoughts, you’ll be off to a good start. Not saying you do that, but for any man, that would definitely be shooting himself in the foot. Whatever you do, if you genuinely want to share your life with someone, don’t just accept defeat. You are worth more than that.



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Dear Mark, thanks for your message. So, from what I’ve read, you seem respectful and caring of women, and someone who does have a good heart. I can only say this from what I’ve read of you here. You have a strong desire to find someone. With that in mind, have you ever felt electricity with anyone? Ever connected with anyone enough to want to pursue them romantically? This virus lockdown business will ease gradually, and you will be able to date(if that’s what you really want to do) soon(even if online and phone-wise initially). I’m hoping that you’re not “accidentally’ self-sabotaging as quite a few men on the spectrum seem to do. Self esteem and depression/anxiety can really work against you when you want something and measure your self worth by your relationship success or lack of. The past is the past. Close the door on it. The sooner, the better. Starting completely afresh, as if you’ve woken from a deep sleep or in this case, a plague, and emerged to start a fresh chapter in your life, is a good start.

I’d like to think that relationships are best formed naturally, without pressure, and the best of them catch you when you’re least expecting, and just having fun, living your life from day to day, no expectations. If you’re not attracted to anyone at the moment in your current work/life/study situation, then meeting your future girlfriend involves broadening your horizons. If things haven’t changed in a long while, then by not making changes, you’re possibly falling into “acceptance” mode, thinking it’s never going to happen. If you can be proactive in joining new sites or getting yourself out there, once lockdown is eased, and portray that caring, fun, positive nature that has been kicked down in the past, but has decided to rise again .... then you will have increased your chances tenfold, of finding that someone. Confidence is attractive. A caring, sensitive, aspie man is hyper- attractive. Your mind is the key. As you’ve seen, men of all shapes & sizes attract the women of their dreams, and they don’t do that by speaking about the past. Their previous experiences, the times they were feeling defeated and any continual mention of past relationships or lack thereof, can work against them. The aim is to live in the moment and let be, what will be.

If you’re determined enough to not project that you’re a victim of the past, and can erase it from your chats with the woman or women in your future, you’ll be doing yourself a huge favour. Once you connect with someone, and discover that spark, you’ll want to pursue her and provided you do that in a positive manner, and ensure your interactions are fun and meaningful, not heavy with depressive thoughts, you’ll be off to a good start. Not saying you do that, but for any man, that would definitely be shooting himself in the foot. Whatever you do, if you genuinely want to share your life with someone, don’t just accept defeat. You are worth more than that.


Thank you, Juliette. My detractors think I am an misogynist even though I’ve seen them talk bad about women themselves and boast about getting their “dick on”. :roll:

When I was younger, I liked a lot of girls in school but they didn’t like me back. Today, a lot of women I encounter already have boyfriends or husbands and a really unfortunate truth is that their boyfriends/husbands won’t let them have male friends, especially if the man is single. I’ve actually lost female friends due to this.